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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #31
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Re: Is Serena the Only Heavyweight?

I know there is a lot of endorsement money riding on it, but women's tennis has to get less sensitive about weight. To go back to fighting as an analogy, fighters actual weights are known, at least 24 hours before a fight. There weigh-ins are televised. They forfeit half their contract for not making weight.

Sharapova's wta bio lists her weight at 130lbs. She's 6'2.
Errani's listed weight is 132lbs. She's 5'4.
Ronda Rousey, the women's Strikeforce 135lb champs, is 5'6", a razor lean, like most mma fighters. See below.



If Rousey is 135 lbs, Sharapova is 180lb easy. Bearing in mind Sharapova is literally EIGHT inch taller, and has those big wide shoulders.

Serena listed weight of 155lbs is ... probably a bit fantastical as well, but Serena's only 5'9. (And a half, if you ask me. She shorter than Clijsters though.)

Are we really to go along with the fantasy that the physical size and power of Sharapova and Serena make NO difference?
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 02:49 AM   #32
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Re: Is Serena the Only Heavyweight?

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I know there is a lot of endorsement money riding on it, but women's tennis has to get less sensitive about weight. To go back to fighting as an analogy, fighters actual weights are known, at least 24 hours before a fight. There weigh-ins are televised. They forfeit half their contract for not making weight.

Sharapova's wta bio lists her weight at 130lbs. She's 6'2.
Errani's listed weight is 132lbs. She's 5'4.
Ronda Rousey, the women's Strikeforce 135lb champs, is 5'6", a razor lean, like most mma fighters. See below.
[IMG width=150px]http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ronda-rousey-espn-body-issue-2.jpg[/IMG]

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ronda-rousey-espn-body-issue-2.jpg
http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/media/ronda-rousey-espn-body-issue-2-sm.jpg

If Rousey is 135 lbs, Sharapova is 180lb easy. Bearing in mind Sharapova is literally EIGHT inch taller, nd has those big wide shoulders.

Serena listed weight of 155lbs is ... probably a bit fantastical as well, but Serena's only 5'9. (And a half, if you ask me. She shorter than Clijsters though.)
How much does Ana, your laboratory model of athlete weigh and body fat, weigh?
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 02:58 AM   #33
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How much does Ana, your laboratory model of athlete weigh and body fat, weigh?
Obviously, I have no true idea. She's quite slender now.

At a guess, assuming she's 6'1", has actual muscles, and is a world class athlete?

Less than Azarenka, certainly. WAY less than Sharapova or Venus.

Hopefully not less than 145. Let's not become Meghann Shaughnessy.
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 03:06 AM   #34
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Obviously, I have no true idea. She's quite slender now.

At a guess, assuming she's 6'1", has actual muscles, and is a world class athlete?

Less than Azarenka, certainly. WAY less than Sharapova or Venus.

Hopefully not less than 145. Let's not become Meghann Shaughnessy.
I think she is probably 6'1", but I doubt she is more than 140 lbs and is close to Maria and Venus height.

Maria weight on WTA is probably outdated. Now she has solid muscles and built like a true athlete.

I would use way " way too thin" rather than "slender".
Venus is slender, Ana is way too thin.
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Re: Is Serena the Only Heavyweight?

Ana is close to Hantuchova now
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Re: Is Serena the Only Heavyweight?

Serena's very all round player, there's so much more to it than just brute force. There are players hitting harder than Serena but there's none that does it so consistently.
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What's woman like serving?
Hundreds of double faults. That's probably why they compared Verdasco to WTA players although his serve is fast. If a woman can serve 20 aces and no double faults, people think that there's something wrong with her while she should be a role model, especially since she's not so tall and her serve placement is amazing and very hard to read, it is fast, but the speed is not what makes it great.
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ROFL this I'd like to know too.

Maybe Gilles Simon can tell us.

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LOL, it's not an insult it's actually a praise, oh how people can just twist words. They said that she is like a good heavyweight against errani a good lightweight, because you don't really expect a lightweight to beat up a heavyweight now do you. It's like saying that it doesn;t matter how good errani plays Serena is just far better than her. It has nothing to do with weight.
Thanks. It was amazing to see how some on here twist/interpret it. Used as it is the term has nothing to do with physicality - it means top-level. A person who is closing the big deals will be called a "financial heavyweight" I've seen "fashion heavyweight" used. Calling in those considered the top experts is often styled as "calling in the heavyweights." So Williams is the "heavyweight" "the big gun"
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Maria weight on WTA is probably outdated. Now she has solid muscles and built like a true athlete.
Well, if 'outdated' = 'less than Sharapova weighed in 2003' .....

She's listed as weighing less than Errani!?!?

You saw Errani. She's a twig. She's smaller than Henin. Pigs will fly before I believe Sharpaova weighed less than Errani does now at any time in the last eight years.

It's not 'adult muscles'. It's 'The Marketing Department' decreed that any number above 'x' would harm her income potential.
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Serena looks more effortless now than in her peak years, hmmm...
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Re: Is Serena the Only Heavyweight?

I don't think it's such a big deal. The same was said about Martina Navratilova and both she and Serena like how their opponents are/were intimidated by their physicality.
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I think the OP is alluding to the racism and sexism black female athletes experience in a white supremacist culture.

People may think it is a complement but it is also a backhanded racist and sexist comment.

The heavyweight comment is attempting to make Serena appear masculine and not feminine.

It is just like Cibulkova and Jankovic calling Stosur half a man because she can hit a big kick serve.

These racist commentators don't mention Serena's intelligence, or her strategy, or her out thinking her opponents on court.

It is offensive but not surprising the subtle racist bigotry Serena experiences because she's a black woman.

The Eurosport commentators call Serena a heavyweight because they are racist. If Serena was a white woman I doubt she would be called a heavyweight. Is Samantha Stosur a heavyweight she has bigger muscles than Serena? What about Mauresmo she's a pretty strong woman too.
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People who have experienced racism, I am told, understand the code thereof. Race aside. Serena is a diligent student of the game and hence she has become such a genius. She modeled her serve after Sampras, the most effective and efficient servers of all times. For these other professional women, I still don't understand what's so difficult about getting the right toss for a serve. While they may need to continue to correct the toss, perhaps they should also consider developing some leg strength if they want to match Serena's serve. By the way, Taylor Townsend has a wicked versatile lefty serve.
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Well, if 'outdated' = 'less than Sharapova weighed in 2003' .....

She's listed as weighing less than Errani!?!?

You saw Errani. She's a twig. She's smaller than Henin. Pigs will fly before I believe Sharpaova weighed less than Errani does now at any time in the last eight years.

It's not 'adult muscles'. It's 'The Marketing Department' decreed that any number above 'x' would harm her income potential.
No she's not. Have you seen her arms and legs; she could break you like a twig
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Re: Is Serena the Only Heavyweight?

We had the FO not too long ago and no one had an issue with Maria swatting Errani's serves away. We saw Lindsay vs Henin on so many occasions and the conversation did not go there.
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