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Old Sep 11th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #106
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Re: Why has Tennis been a White dominated Sport?

Too expensive, other sports are easier and odds for non-whites to get in, dominate and make money is easier.
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Old Sep 20th, 2012, 08:21 AM   #107
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #108
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To develop tennis skills you need equipment, courts, facilities and coaches. So you need to be at least relatively rich. Not long ago, white people held about 3/4 of the world's wealth so they could afford investing in expensive sports like tennis. Although things are changing, especially in Asia, this will take time.

Another reason is tradition and attractiveness of the sport for non-whites, who often give preference to basketball (esp. USA), soccer, cricket or table tennis (esp. Asia).

Moreover, the four biggest tournaments which draw most attention (grand slams) are held in countries with the dominant white population: USA - about 75-80%, UK - about 90%, France - about 80-85% , Australia - about 90%

Also, tennis is very popular in some Central/Eastern European countries, which have almost 100% white population, especially the Czech Republic and Russia (just these two countries account for 20% of the WTA TOP100) and it seems that tennis is also on the rise in Poland.

So the domination of whites in tennis is hardly surprising.
good post but still the argument that so and so groups are not wealthy enough to make it big in tennis isn't really convincing......

middle east are filthy rich and yet most of them are taking to soccer......lot of rich people in asia as well but they take to badminton, TT and other asian games......

there could be something wrong with the administration......nobody wants to see himself in a place where he feels uninvited and uncomfortable......imo ITF are not expanding the sport and seem to be content with the income they have presently......

how do you explain 1 grandslam and 4 masters events for north america and 0 grandslams and 0 masters events for south america on the men's side?
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i knew somebody would ask this......williams sisters are just two among hundreds of white players and maybe a few more non-white players?

As to the thread title:


Tennis is filled with mostly white players


But it has been dominated by a Black Player for years now.



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peak Anybody vs. peak Serena is an oxymoron. Peak Serena is obviously Serena at her very best. As such, peak Serena is virtually unbeatable
1. 1999 Grand Slam Cup.........Vs. ASV........................6-3, 6-1.
2. 2001 Indian Wells...........vs. Lindsay Davenport..........6-1, 6-2.
3. 2001 Indian Wells...........vs. Kim Clijsters..............6-0, 6-2.
4. 2001 US Open................vs. Martina Hingis.............6-3, 6-2
2002 Miami..................vs. Martina Hingis.............6-4, 6-0.
5. 2002 Miami..................vs. Venus Williams.............6-2, 6-2.
6. 2002 French Open............vs. Mary Pierce................6-1, 6-1.
7. 2003 French Open............vs. Amelie Mauresmo............6-1, 6-2.
8. 2004 Miami..................vs. Elena Dementieva...........6-1, 6-1.
9. 2004 Wimbledon..............vs. Jennifer Capriati..........6-1, 6-1.
10.2007 Australian Open........vs. Maria Sharapova............6-1, 6-2
2007 Miami..................vs. Maria Sharapova............6-1, 6-1
2011 Stanford...............vs. Maria Sharapova............6-1, 6-3
2012 Madrid.................vs. Maria Sharapova............6-1, 6-3
2012 Olympics...............vs. Maria Sharapova............6-0, 6-1.
11.2008 Miami..................vs. Justine Henin..............6-2, 6-0.
12.2009 Australian Open........vs. Dinara Safina..............6-0, 6-3.
13.2012 Charleston.............vs. Samantha Stosur............6-1, 6-1.
14.2012 Madrid.................vs. Victoria Azarenka..........6-1, 6-3
2012 Olympics...............vs. Victoria Azarenka..........6-1, 6-2.
15.2012 Olympics...............vs. Caroline Wozniaki..........6-0, 6-3
16.2012 US Open................vs. Anna Ivanovic..............6-1, 6-3.

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Old Nov 17th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #110
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Re: Why has Tennis been a White dominated Sport?

I blame George Bush.
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Most popular sports in the world:

1 Soccer
2 Cricket
3 Field Hockey
4 Tennis

http://mostpopularsports.net/

(I wouldn't vouch for the methodology but )
thats a load of
Athletics is way more popular than all of them except football
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thats a load of
Athletics is way more popular than all of them except football
that list is right.....they are the four most followed sports.....field hockey's position is arguable because of its losing popularity but the other three are just too strong for other sports......
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Re: Why has Tennis been a White dominated Sport?

I think you have to take into consideration that the popularity of all sports (like other manifestations of mass culture) is highly path dependent. Tennis was originally very much a sport of the higher social classes, which naturally excluded most black players. This was true in America well into the sixties and even the seventies, at precisely the time when tennis was coming into its own as a sport where you could make a lot of money.

It probably didn't help that the other dominant tennis country in that era was Australia, which at the time was also not exactly known for its enlightened attitude towards race. For non-whites interested in a career in sports there must have been a lot of options that seemed more attractive than tennis at that time (basketball, athletics, etc.).

Although the race barriers have broken down somewhat since then, the role models for young non-whites are still massively concentrated in other sports, although I think the succcess of Serena and Venus has increased its popularity among young African Americans at least. It will be interesting to see whether that trend continues after S&V retire. I'm not very optimistic: Arthur Ashe and Evonne Goolagong were hugely popular in their day, but this didn't have much of a long term effect in terms of attracting non-whites into tennis.

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I think you have to take into consideration that the popularity of all sports (like other manifestations of mass culture) is highly path dependent. Tennis was originally very much a sport of the higher social classes, which naturally excluded most black players. This was true in America well into the sixties and even the seventies, at precisely the time when tennis was coming into its own as a sport where you could make a lot of money.

It probably didn't help that the other dominant tennis country in that era was Australia, which at the time was also not exactly known for its enlightened attitude towards race. For non-whites interested in a career in sports there must have been a lot of options that seemed more attractive than tennis at that time (basketball, athletics, etc.).

Although the race barriers have broken down somewhat since then, the role models for young non-whites are still massively concentrated in other sports, although I think the succcess of Serena and Venus has increased its popularity among young African Americans at least. It will be interesting to see whether that trend continues after S&V retire.
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How is that "natural"?
Watch your words.
Such oversensivity is not helpful. I was not using the word in its literal sense, as you must know if you took a second to consider your reaction before posting.
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Old Nov 17th, 2012, 12:15 PM   #116
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I think you have to take into consideration that the popularity of all sports (like other manifestations of mass culture) is highly path dependent. Tennis was originally very much a sport of the higher social classes, which naturally excluded most black players. This was true in America well into the sixties and even the seventies, at precisely the time when tennis was coming into its own as a sport where you could make a lot of money.

It probably didn't help that the other dominant tennis country in that era was Australia, which at the time was also not exactly known for its enlightened attitude towards race. For non-whites interested in a career in sports there must have been a lot of options that seemed more attractive than tennis at that time (basketball, athletics, etc.).

Although the race barriers have broken down somewhat since then, the role models for young non-whites are still massively concentrated in other sports, although I think the succcess of Serena and Venus has increased its popularity among young African Americans at least. It will be interesting to see whether that trend continues after S&V retire. I'm not very optimistic: Arthur Ashe and Evonne Goolagong were hugely popular in their day, but this didn't have much of a long term effect in terms of attracting non-whites into tennis.
how do you explain cricket, a so called "higher sections" sport taken over and dominated by carribbeans for decades until 1990s?

west indies made their international entry in 1928 when all the already existing cricketing nations were all white - england, australia, south africa and new zealand......NZ entered just 2 years later in 1930.....
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i believe that there is something wrong with the administrators of the sport......they seem to be content with the current revenues and are least bothered about expanding the sport......

only a matter of time before their strategy backfires......they are only netting themselves in danger by ignoring the massive indian and asian market......what if the west slides into full-blown recession and revenues start decreasing?
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how do you explain cricket, a so called "higher sections" sport taken over and dominated by carribbeans for decades until 1990s?

west indies made their international entry in 1928 when all the already existing cricketing nations were all white - england, australia, south africa and new zealand......NZ entered just 2 years later in 1930.....
Easy to expain: cricket was exported to the British colonies, so that the great white masters could still play while they were away from mother England lording it over their dominions. When they first taught the locals to play they never imagined that they would end up far better at the game than they were.

I said that the popularity of sports was path dependent, not that every sport follows the same path.
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It's a sport that needs more brain cells than just muscles. Kidding.

Well, it's kind of expensive and elitist.
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Easy to expain: cricket was exported to the British colonies, so that the great white masters could still play while they were away from mother England lording it over their dominions. When they first taught the locals to play they never imagined that they would end up far better at the game than they were.

I said that the popularity of sports was path dependent, not that every sport follows the same path.
that's a myth......below is the list of english colonies which did not take up cricket and totally suck at it......

canada

united states

egypt

sudan

kenya

somalia

tanzania

uganda

iraq

oman

aden

palestine

burma

malaysia

jordan

kuwait

bahrain



now the list of major cricketing nations,

india

south africa

west indies

new zealand

australia

pakistan

sri lanka

i can agree that your argument might hold good for south africa and australia as they were basically english......but it doesn't hold water to other nations......

india (i mean the indian subcontinent) has a sport called "gilli danda"(started in 7th century AD) which is very similar to cricket......that is believed to be the main reason behind fascination towards cricket in india (and pakistan & srilanka)......
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