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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #46
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Re: The let's learn how to write "a lot" thread

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That's a bit of a cop out isn't it?
Errr it's the truth. That's all it is no more, no less.
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 12:07 PM   #47
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ALOT of deez threds about gramm3r dont really help because people willz ignor deez lessons.

besides, english is a living language and continues to evolve. personally i think that alot will soon become acceptable much the same way other conventions that were once seen as incorrect have been accepted. so in other words

suck it up ALOT is here to STAY!!
Interestingly many of those who'll ignore such knowledge are often those who have a mindset that leads them to complain about the lack of opportunities available to them.

English and all languages do continue to evolve but simple ignorance of basic grammar and vocabulary is just that - ignorance.

You're correct that there will probably "always" be those who confuse their willful lack of knowledge of their own language with meaningful rebellion.

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To be clear IMO "yo wassup?" "wha a gwan?" are fine. Adults not knowing that the correct English forms are "What's up?" and "What's going on?" is not fine.
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #48
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Errr it's the truth. That's all it is no more, no less.
It's funny how you - and some others - have the idea that whatever conclusion you come to or opinion you have is somehow the truth. It's not! Having a strong opinion is one thing. Not knowing it's an opinion is a sad delusion. Especially when those opinions are driven more by ideology rather than any attempt at objective assessment.
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #49
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Besides, one thing about online grammar nazis is that rarely, if ever are their own posts without grammatical errors. Just read through this thread. I say as long as you can make out what the person means and it's not for a formal or professional reason, live and let live.

Just my take on it, and it's "cop-outness"
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Besides, one thing about online grammar nazis is that rarely, if ever are their own posts without grammatical errors. Just read through this thread. I say as long as you can make out what the person means and it's not for a formal or professional reason, live and let live.

Just my take on it, and it's "cop-outness"
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Old Sep 8th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #51
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Interestingly many of those who'll ignore such knowledge are often those who have a mindset that leads them to complain about the lack of opportunities available to them.

English and all languages do continue to evolve but simple ignorance of basic grammar and vocabulary is just that - ignorance.

You're correct that there will probably "always" be those who confuse their willful lack of knowledge of their own language with meaningful rebellion.

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To be clear IMO "yo wassup?" "wha a gwan?" are fine. Adults not knowing that the correct English forms are "What's up?" and "What's going on?" is not fine.
Besides, one thing about online grammar nazis is that rarely, if ever, are their own posts without grammatical errors. Just read through this thread.

The above post is a perfect example. And what's worst about it, is that it is often not at all about being helpful and a lot about being an ignorant douche (again see the above) more interested in pretending they have a mastery of grammar than actually knowing what the hell they are talking about before going off at the mouth.
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Besides, one thing about online grammar nazis is that rarely, if ever, are their own posts without grammatical errors. Just read through this thread.

The above post is a perfect example. And what's worst about it, is that it is often not at all about being helpful and a lot about being an ignorant douche (again see the above) more interested in pretending they have a mastery of grammar than actually knowing what the hell they are talking about before going off at the mouth.
We all make mistakes in posting to forums. That's not the point. The point is to learn from them, to know the correct form and to appreciate helpful info. It's twisted to rail against knowledge.

And okay . .you're on. If you point out the grammatical errors in my post above I'll own them. But throwing out stupid childish insults just shows more that you're driven by emotion and ideology rather than any attempt to be objective. I mean "grammar nazis" "ignorant douche" . . .really? It's like you're walking down the street hitting yourself in the head as you complain about how "those people" are giving you a headache.
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Re: The let's learn how to write "a lot" thread

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Besides, one thing about online grammar nazis is that rarely, if ever are their own posts without grammatical errors. Just read through this thread. I say as long as you can make out what the person means and it's not for a formal or professional reason, live and let live.
This isn't a grammar nazi thread, mistakes happen, we all make them. There are a lot people on this board who don't speak English as a first language and they copy what they read from other users. So a lot of them are making mistakes they don't know about.
Yes, languages evolve and a lot of mistakes get eventually accepted but that doesn't mean it's right.
It only shows that ignorance spreads as fast as a disease

Novichok okay "Goodbye", I really meant to ask about "Good night or Goodnight" but I guess it's more or less the same I've looked up on the Internet but I'm not quite sure I understand it, from what I've gathered, you write it together when you mean to say "bye", as in the last word you say. You write it separately when there are more words around it, like "Have a good night".
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This isn't a grammar nazi thread, mistakes happen, we all make them. There are a lot people on this board who don't speak English as a first language and they copy what they read from other users. So a lot of them are making mistakes they don't know about.
Yes, languages evolve and a lot of mistakes get eventually accepted but that doesn't mean it's right.
It only shows that ignorance spreads as fast as a disease
+1.
I do know "would have" is the correct one but when I saw people writing "would of", I thought it was something new which I have never gone through before, so I did try to use it a couple of times until some kind poster reminds me that it was wrong.
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We all make mistakes in posting to forums..
oh, but that is very much the point, when you, a dimwit, do it it's a mistake but when someone does it, it's "it's willful ignorance" and an automatic acceptance of every real world grammar folly. That is exactly the point

You, in particular, have your head so far up your own ass that you miss all your own flagrant grammar fouls while at the same thing attempting to lecture others. You have no desire to provide help or assistance, nor the ability to do so.

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This isn't a grammar nazi thread, mistakes happen, we all make them. There are a lot people on this board who don't speak English as a first language and they copy what they read from other users. So a lot of them are making mistakes they don't know about.
Yes, languages evolve and a lot of mistakes get eventually accepted but that doesn't mean it's right.
It only shows that ignorance spreads as fast as a disease
Again, why is it when one does it, it's "mistakes happen" and when others do it, it's "ignorance that spreads as fast as disease". If its a mistake when you do it, than surely it is only rational that it should be one when someone else does it.

Plus, people have lots of things to do, and don't go through every post to check that no mistake that is personally offensive to another poster spills through. Nor is it rational to extrapolate that because the posters don't give a shit in the forums about crisp grammatical perfection on the forums they do not care elsewhere or in "the real world". Or that any one mistake or even indifferece within the forums means anything but one mistake or difference in the forums. ALOT of people r!t3 won wei online and another when it matters.
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[quote=Wigglytuff;22171101]oh, but that is very much the point, when you, a dimwit, do it it's a mistake but when someone does it, it's "it's willful ignorance" and an automatic acceptance of every real world grammar folly. That is exactly the point
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The "willful ignorance" wasn't about anyone's mistake. It was directed to you equating poor grammar as being something positive - something to "suck up."

You keep prattling on about my "grammar fouls" yet somehow not pointing them out. I have no problem with you or anyone pointing out things like that. More to the point, I'm glad that others started a thread about the topic. You are the deluded lunatic that decided to post in a grammar thread about the virtues of grammatical errors. As for questioning my ability . . . as it turns out you may as well propose that I'm a purple elephant. As for being helpful . . . I am.

And . ."Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
See what I wrote earlier about you walking down the street hitting yourself in the head. Of course, it wouldn't dawn on you that using that biblical phrase when one is a party in the "argument" is inane.
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Anyway, I can haz ALOT of things do and ALOT of things BYE at Costco today, so I'll sheck back on you gaiz laterz
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Well that escalated quickly.
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Nor is it rational to extrapolate that because the posters don't give a shit in the forums about crisp grammatical perfection on the forums they do not care elsewhere or in "the real world". Or that any one mistake or even indifferece within the forums means anything but one mistake or difference in the forums.
Hmmm . .those points I agree with. But that doesn't explain why you'd start posting all this in a thread about grammar. Those who aren't interested in their grammar can just not read the thread. Nor does it explain you're defense of poor grammar as being a positive thing. Yes there are those who know and don't care and there are those who know and make errors, but there are also those who don't know.

BTW it's indifference.
(yeah I know you know that and that it was an unimportant typo but hey . . )
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