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Old Sep 6th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #121
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and what's wrong with being realistic? expectations (or should i say hopes) are not really low, quite the opposite i'd say. people still believe. or they wouldn't be there in the first place. so, expectations are not going down. however, it is ana and not her fans that will have to deliver
If hoping that Arvidsson is feeling generous and plays poorly so Ana can beat her is being realistic and hopeful and thinking favorably of Ana, then yeah, Ana's fans are realistic and hopeful.

And it's too bad that apparently Ana fans will be the last ones to observe the influence and correlation b/w what's written on this board and how players are treated and in turn act.

Besides, if Masha were realistic when she was playing Serena back in 2004 (the famous "I thought I had a 50-50 chance -win or lose" - quote) she would never have won Wimby.
Champions (and the rest of us, too) need to dream. Realism is what you need BETWEEN the tournaments. With Ana it is the opposite. In between the tournos she believes she can have everything click without adequate preparation (dreaming), and then when matches come, she is striving for bare minimum - not to get embarassed.
Fine, she did so. It's her new realism. Celebrate the QF. :ajde:

And tennisbum is not the first to observe some sort of similarity between a player and their fanbase. Sadly in Ana's case, the link is compliance.

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Old Sep 6th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #122
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If hoping that Arvidsson is feeling generous and plays poorly so Ana can beating her is being realistic and hopeful and thinking favorably of Ana, then yeah, Ana's fans are realistic and hopeful.
Since this is from my post, you apparently still think that I'm a hater in disguise.

Ana got double bageled by Vinci first, then she had a problem to break the serve of the weaponless teenager in R1. I'm sorry, after that it was hard to believe that she was gonna beat Sofia easily. Her form didn't look promising. Of course, my post about Sofia was a joke, because Sofia said that she didn't even know who was in her draw, so I wrote this:

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If she doesn't care about the draw, she could really be a good friend and not even try to challenge her.
And I believed in Ana for a very long time, believe it or not, the positivity didn't help. In fact, she reached the QF when her fans almost gave up on her, after the match against Vinci.
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Old Sep 6th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #123
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Since this is from my post, you apparently still think that I'm a hater in disguise.

Ana got double bageled by Vinci first, then she had a problem to break the serve of the weaponless teenager in R1. I'm sorry, after that it was hard to believe that she was gonna beat Sofia easily. Her form didn't look promising. Of course, my post about Sofia was a joke, because Sofia said that she didn't even know who was in her draw, so I wrote this:



And I believed in Ana for a very long time, believe it or not, the positivity didn't help. In fact, she reached the QF when her fans almost gave up on her, after the match against Vinci.
To be honest I have no idea who said what, for this particular one I was convinced it was Izzy's. To me they are all pretty much alike. In fact azdaja and Linguae's posts are the only ones that stand out as the ones that have some belief and reflect stuff I would like to here if I were going out to compete.

To me, fandom without belief is a contradiction. Occasional, yes, constant lack of faith, no. Not really. It is then either fake or a habbit.
But maybe that's just me and my definition of fandom.
I know one thing though: if I were a coach of Ana's I would forbid her to read that forum. The last thing I would want her to read before going to compete is constant reminders of my lowest points and never being able to move on.
And conversely if I were a coach of Ana's opponent, I would advise her to read that forum before the match. It lays out all of Ana's weaknesses in bare light and strips her of any semblance of winner.

On the other hand, if there is material I would like to read, it's Serena's fans jabbering. They practically make her a goddess and immortal - as if she will play forever. That's not realism, mind you, but it is beneficial both for boosting her confidence as well as freaking mental weaklings out.

Of course Ana's fans like to present writing in a forum as consequential to the player's performance, but the correlation goes both ways.
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Ana played well, too bad she didn't win.
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Amazing win Serena.

Keep going.
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And that means that Ana didn't?
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To me, fandom without belief is a contradiction. Occasional, yes, constant lack of faith, no. Not really. It is then either fake or a habbit.
When you get used to disappointments, negativity becomes a habit. I think that posters who don't approve negativity in Ana's forum should post more often. Maybe that place is too dark, many posters have left, other posters are disappointed, maybe those who feel different should bring some positivity, if it's not forced positivity.

And if I was Ana's coach, I would forbid her reading opinions on Internet in general. Her coach could read some opinions, but Ana... Noooo!
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I know one thing though: if I were a coach of Ana's I would forbid her to read that forum. The last thing I would want her to read before going to compete is constant reminders of my lowest points and never being able to move on.
And conversely if I were a coach of Ana's opponent, I would advise her to read that forum before the match. It lays out all of Ana's weaknesses in bare light and strips her of any semblance of winner.

On the other hand, if there is material I would like to read, it's Serena's fans jabbering. They practically make her a goddess and immortal - as if she will play forever. That's not realism, mind you, but it is beneficial both for boosting her confidence as well as freaking mental weaklings out.
i think every fanbase would be like that if their fave were like serena.

some fans like to analyse things to the extreme. it's kinda like when football fans discuss which players they would put in which position and which formation they would use. so, even when things are going well they won't be satisfied (ana won but this or that aspect of her game was not good etc). however, that's certainly not because expectations are low, quite the opposite.

i would agree that fear and negativity should have no place among ana fans when she is playing lesser players. she has been way too consistent against them for a year now. sure, she still can have a bad day and lose badly but that can happen even to the best. it doesn't matter that some aspects of her game didn't work in one match. she might be fine in the next one. i'm also sure ana would already be a top 10 player if she had a slightly different schedule. so, save worries for matches against top players.
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