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Old Feb 1st, 2013, 10:14 AM   #346
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IAnd a guy like Wiggins MAY be clean, but the sport of cycling has lost any "benefit of the doubt" ages ago.
Just don't ask him about it. He appears to take offense
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Old Feb 1st, 2013, 03:30 PM   #347
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I'm not the least bit interested in cycling. It's entire history is fake.And a guy like Wiggins MAY be clean, but the sport of cycling has lost any "benefit of the doubt" ages ago.
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Just don't ask him about it. He appears to take offense
And if he's clean I can definitely understand that. But cycling has always been a sport where everyone would put his right hand on the bible and swear that the're on the level. And time after time after time from one generation to the other they were found out to have told less than the truth, to put it mildly. Maybe Wiggins and the current crop really are the new beginning, but I've heard the "brand new start" story one too many times over the decades only to find out that the next generation was just as bad (or worse) as the previous one. At this point any such statements get nothing other than a from me. With apologies to those who are clean, but I've had it with cycling.
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And if he's clean I can definitely understand that. But cycling has always been a sport where everyone would put his right hand on the bible and swear that the're on the level. And time after time after time from one generation to the other they were found out to have told less than the truth, to put it mildly. Maybe Wiggins and the current crop really are the new beginning, but I've heard the "brand new start" story one too many times over the decades only to find out that the next generation was just as bad (or worse) as the previous one. At this point any such statements get nothing other than a from me. With apologies to those who are clean, but I've had it with cycling.
I understand what you're saying but the difference to me is that I don't think there has really been "a brand new start" story until now. Time after time the line has been when someone is caught not to admit just how serious the problem was. It was the butt of jokes but the line I got was well that cyclist and/or that team that have failed the drug test have been naughty boys. But I never heard anyone say that now we caught that one team or individual it's a brand new start.

I'm not saying the problem has been cracked but I do think attitudes at the top have changed. I agree that it's going to take a long time before people are going to be convinced. On the one hand - cyclists must pass the tests. But also - the tests must not be seen as a "soft touch" and easy to breach. If the determination of driving out drugs from the game is maintained - I think the attitudes af many will gradually change when the jokes stop - and that it could be viewed as something of the past.

Incidentally - one thing I'm against is stripping anyone of their titles once a small prespecified finite time has elapsed - and that includes Armstrong. Does it mean anything like the real winner of the Tour de France one year was the rider who came in at #46. It's like looking back in history and discovering that a King cheated to become the King and was not the real person in line or bumped of the people who were in line. So we'll strip away the title that he was King. And on the analogy of Kings and Queens - their acts were horrendous. But it was then not now with different values and those dreadful things happened in a different era.

So I'm very much in favour of just drawing a line over the whole thing in the past. But there must not be a repeat where we have to draw another line.
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I've never been a big cycling fan myself, but in Belgium where I live you can't escape it because it's one of the two most popular sports over here, and possibly even THE most popular. Every important and semi-important race is on the telly, everyday there are countless articles about it in the newspapers and magazines, and so on. And Belgium has had countless legendary champions of the sport, including the by far greatest cyclist in history Eddy Merckx.

Merckx didn't just beat his rivals, he humiliated them. He dominated cycling more than Ali or Robinson did boxing, Pelé or Maradonna football, Jordan basketball, Comaneci gymnastics, Ruth baseball or Federer tennis. He won more important races than the numbers two, three and four in history combined and in much more dominant fashion than anyone before or since. In short, compared to him Armstrong looked like a nobody. And he was (surprise) of course caught three times taking PED. But he didn't win necessarily because of that alone, because most of his important contemporaries were exposed as cheats as well. Merckx was active in the late 60's and 70's. Ever since that time I'm used to doping stories in cycling. Rarely has there been a period of more than a few months without someone getting caught. And since cycling is so popular over here I was since my youth also aware of some of the 'scandals' of pre-Merckx cycling.

In Britain and the US the popularity of cycling is a relatively recent phenomenon and therefore they are probably not as familiar with the history of the sport as people from Belgium, France, Spain or Italy where cycling has always been one of the most popular sports. For me the Armstrong and co stories are hardly shocking or surprising. In fact I've never known it to be any different. Here's a pretty good and inevitably long, but nevertheless STILL incomplete wikipedia article about the history of PED in cycling.

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We weren't the best team,but we made the big plays more consistently than any of the other squads during the playoff run.In a year when there were no clearly dominant teams,we managed to fill the vacuum by exploiting our foes' weaknesses.To me,it was truly an amazing,unforgettable stretch
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To me,it was foolish and risky of the NHL players to risk alienating the fanbase with another work stoppage less than a decade after the previous one......but they've been back for a little while now,and we'll see how faithful the fans are in the markets that aren't so rock solid
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Well,we didn't look so hot...playing a scoreless draw with Jamaica...unlike Honduras who got a nice 2-1 victory over the World Cup* Champions
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Shahar Peer deja vu.
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Start to the new F1 season just a week away. While I do not wish to sound like an over excited tween girl, it looks to be an EPIC season.
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Start to the new F1 season just a week away. While I do not wish to sound like an over excited tween girl, it looks to be an EPIC season.
I'm still struggling to understand what on earth Lewis was thinking of in leaving McLaren to go to Mercedes. When you look back at the antics of Senna and Prost to drive the best car - and Lewis wamts to go the other way.
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Start to the new F1 season just a week away. While I do not wish to sound like an over excited tween girl, it looks to be an EPIC season.
As a guy,I have an intellectual grasp of how the sport might be highly appealing to certain other guys.As I've said before,though,it simply lacks any hold on ME...partly b/c I've sat in city traffic so many times that I'd rather not watch a sport,in my FREE time,which reminds me of that.Also,that near-fatal car wreck--which I won't rehash anymore--is a barrier that prevents me from ever overly loving automobiles........though my current vehicle is,by far,the most ergonomic and comfy that I've ever had,thus earning my appreciation and more dedicated maintenance.I suppose that's the closest to Car Love that I'll ever get
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I'm still struggling to understand what on earth Lewis was thinking of in leaving McLaren to go to Mercedes. When you look back at the antics of Senna and Prost to drive the best car - and Lewis wamts to go the other way.
Well, Mercedes has looked fast in practice. I feel a tad sorry for Schumie. He'll have been involved developing the 2013 car, last season, but now he's not there to reek the benefits.

McLaren has started quite slow the last couple of seasons and played catch-up through-out. Looks to be similar this year?
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One thing which really strikes me after Rory's apology for withdrawing in the middle of the round is the difference in ethics between the two most ethical of sports at the top level - Snooker and Golf compared to other sports. Both those two sports - players automatically call against themselves things that the officials don't spot. And in this latest scandal in golf - it's an unwritten rule that Rory broke that you just don't withdraw in golf unless you really have some really serious problem threatening your heath.

Contrast that and the condemnation Rory rightly got with the tactical withdrawals and retirements in women's tennis that happen all the time and are actually applauded as being smart.
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33 yo Tine Baun, Denmark's best female badminton player and former world #1 is playing her last tournament these days. Fittingly, her last tournament is All England, which she has won two times previously. And even more fittingly, she's in the final again. Her opponent Sunday will be Ratchanok from Thailand who leads their H2H 3-1.

NB: As far as prestige goes, All England is as important to badminton players as Wimbledon is to tennis players.
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