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Old Dec 1st, 2012, 05:50 AM   #271
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Re: Survivor 25: Phillipines - Begins Sept. 19

Penner has himself and ONLY himself to blame for his exit last episode. Just thinking about why he refused Skupin & Lisa's offer from before bugs me because it just made no sense as to why he didn't immediately accept. Penner was clearly low on the totem pole so he was gonna be voted out soon as Abi & Pete were gone. Waiting a bit longer would not have changed anything.

Penner clearly didn't trust Malcolm or Denise, he hated Pete and Abi so a final four would only be possible if he and Carter had allied with Lisa & Skupin. My only assumption is that he assumed a Final 6 was inevitable and that he would make a Final 3 alliance involving Lisa & either Skupin or Carter.

Either way, Penner is a good player but he stuffed this one up.

Also, this last episode was the third straight episode where Skupin was the flip vote.
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Old Dec 1st, 2012, 06:15 AM   #272
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So Jonathan declined the offer because of wanting to keep the alliance with Carter? That doesn't make sense because Carter wanted him gone pre merge
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Re: Survivor 25: Phillipines - Begins Sept. 19

Jonathan didn't know that..
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Old Dec 1st, 2012, 06:31 AM   #274
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Jonathan didn't know that..
Huh? Carter had a Freudian slip about getting rid of Penner or Katie, in front of Penner.
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Huh? Carter had a Freudian slip about getting rid of Penner or Katie, in front of Penner.
He didn't realize it. If you listen to Penner's exit interview on RHAP he had no idea how close Carter was with Jeff Kent. He thought Carter was tight with him.
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He didn't realize it. If you listen to Penner's exit interview on RHAP he had no idea how close Carter was with Jeff Kent. He thought Carter was tight with him.
Lord. He's much dumber in the game than I thought.
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Lord. He's much dumber in the game than I thought.
Did you see him play on his previous two seasons? Not exactly a surprise.
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Re: Survivor 25: Phillipines - Begins Sept. 19

I really like Penner... but honestly, he could play 15 seasons and still not win.

He's too dangerous and not stealthy enough to get himself out of trouble.
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Re: Survivor 25: Phillipines - Begins Sept. 19

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So Jonathan declined the offer because of wanting to keep the alliance with Carter? That doesn't make sense because Carter wanted him gone pre merge
The offer for Final 4 by Skupin & Lisa was made to Penner for him and Carter because they knew that Malcolm or Denise would not betray each other. That's where Carter came into the picture.

Even then, Penner had no idea they were gunning for him pre-merge. Like DC mentioned, Penner didn't catch Carter's slip up when Katie was voted off. Penner only knew they were after him when he played his immunity idol and when he won immunity.
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Did you see him play on his previous two seasons? Not exactly a surprise.
He was a blur in FVF
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Re: Survivor 25: Phillipines - Begins Sept. 19

Penner had no reason to mutiny over to Raro because Ozzy was still on the chopping block before him. Probably Sundra too. Of course Candice didn't either but she was at least tight with the people running Raro.
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Jonathan's mutiny is really underrated in terms of stupid moves. Although I doubt his placement would have been much better (if at all) had he decided not to mutiny.
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I might give credit to yul's persuasion skills.
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I never understood why Jonathan chose to mutiny. I don't think it was a stupid move as much as it was a WTF moment.
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I never understood why Jonathan chose to mutiny. I don't think it was a stupid move as much as it was a WTF moment.
He thought he was tight with Candice. Another instance of him not knowing how to read people.
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