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Old Aug 13th, 2012, 09:26 AM   #736
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Re: Deportes en general vol. 3 - JJOO Londres 2012

yo no soy asi como dices ni de lejos, y si me conocieras un poquito lo sabrias. me gusta lo ligera que es la gente en este foro a la hora de asignar juicio absoluto acerca de una persona ahora, que tu de los demas no puedes decir nada, claro
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y eso que no estaba vlasic, pero en altura femenina el nivel medio ha subido muchisimo, hace unos años quitando la oro las demas no pasaban de 2 metros ni de blas...se echara de menos a ruth si
Ehhhh... no!

Porque solo tienes 20pocos y probablemente solo tengas recuerdo desde los juegos de Sidney, pero en los 80s había bastantes habituales por encima de los 2.02-2.04 (Bykova, Andonova, Kostadinova), luego a principios de los 90 estaban Astafei, Henkel, Babakova y luego ya Slesarenko o Cloette, que seguramente ya te suenan. Todas ellas pre-Vlasic por supuesto.

De hecho la peor final desde LA'84 ha sido probablemente Sidney 2000 (la única que no se han superado los 2.02m, y en todas ellas al menos 2 o 3 han pasado los 2m

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Old Aug 13th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #741
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Re: Deportes en general vol. 3 - JJOO Londres 2012

yo hablaba de cloete, que es la que vivi, y habitualmente se quedaba ella saltando sola al final, y ganaba bastante claramente. ahora a lo mejor se llevan una altura oro y bronce, y hasta menos...y no solian superar los 20 metros
vamos, que decia recientemente, evidentemente si nos vamos mas para atras pues habra fluctuaciones de nivel y marcas, yo digo lo que recuerdo yo de cuando lo veia
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Old Aug 13th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #742
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yo hablaba de cloete, que es la que vivi, y habitualmente se quedaba ella saltando sola al final, y ganaba bastante claramente. ahora a lo mejor se llevan una altura oro y bronce, y hasta menos...y no solian superar los 20 metros
vamos, que decia recientemente, evidentemente si nos vamos mas para atras pues habra fluctuaciones de nivel y marcas, yo digo lo que recuerdo yo de cuando lo veia
Vale, pues entonces a que te refieres con que recientemente ha subido el nivel?

No hablas de los 80, ni de los 90, tampoco de los juegos de 2004 y 2008 donde las finales fueron de bastante nivel:

Athens'2004:

Slesarenko - 2.06
Cloete - 2.02
Styopina - 2.02

Beijing'2008:

Hellebaut - 2.05
Vlasic - 2.05
Chicherova - 2.03

Y tampoco de la ultima olimpiada, donde los mundiales han tenido una calidad aceptable,

WCh - 2009:

Vlasic - 2.04
Chicherova - 2.02
Friedrich - 2.02

WCh - 2011:

Chicherova - 2.03
Vlasic - 2.03
Di Martino - 2.00



Asi que, donde ves tú precisamente ese "nivel medio ha subido muchísimo recientemente"??? Recientemente son los últimos 8-10 anyos respecto a 2-3 anyos "flojos" a principios de los 2000?
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Old Aug 13th, 2012, 10:37 AM   #743
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Re: Deportes en general vol. 3 - JJOO Londres 2012

de la epoca en que lo veia yo a la epoca de ahora, si ya te lo he dicho antes
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Re: Deportes en general vol. 3 - JJOO Londres 2012

Aun así Hector. Para mi el salto con pertiga si ha mejorado sustancialmente el nivel medio recientemente (ya que antes apenas Emma George pasaba los 4.50 y ahora tienes porrón de saltadoras que lo hacen). En cambio en altura, siempre han habido saltadoras (al menos 3-4) por encima de los 2.02-2.04m cada anyo desde mitad de los 80 y ahora más o menos se sigue la misma tónica. Así que para mí el nivel en altura no ha mejorado TAN sustancialmente de forma reciente. Igual me entiendes mejor ahora

De hecho en los últimos 20 anyos, solo ha habido un anyo en que el nivel de altura ha estado por debajo de 2.02m y fue en 1994 donde "solo" tres saltadoras lograron superar los 2m
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Re: Deportes en general vol. 3 - JJOO Londres 2012

Y ya paro porque se que nunca das el brazo a torcer y siempre tienes la razón!
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hombre en pertiga tambien ha mejorado, antes(cuando yo empece a verlo hace tiempo, especifico, no digo hace 2 años) era isinbayeva saltando como 30 cm mas que feofanova que era la lider de las demas y se quedaban por 4.50 o menos incluso si
que no he dicho que no tengas razon, evidentemente la tienes, ahi estan las marcas. yo solo digo que en la epoca que lo veia yo, claramente habia menos nivel medio y eso es cierto joer habia mucha hegemonia de la cloete, que hacia cosas raras con el brazo al saltar(era muy entrañable), que no digo que no tengas razon, no me expresaria bien pero vamos, que esta bien que contestes con rigor, aunque sigo manteniendo mi opinion, porque me acuerdo vaya
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^vaya Avelino, el que era tan calladito..a ver si sacamos alguna pareja de aquí. Yo ya la tuve pero se fue al garete porque me dejó por otro, normal, estoy medio loco
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Le han quitado el oro a la bielorrusa que ganó en lanzamiento de peso (ostapchuk o algo asi) por doparse

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