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Old Jul 5th, 2012, 03:40 AM   #76
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they were also unlucky too; according to Beevor's book Germany originally planned to attack through Netherland and Belgium,
but their plan got out due to a German pilot's unlucky landing. So GBR and FRA naturally concentrated their troops in
that area (and both NED and BEL stubbornly refused to work with them in case they might 'provoke' GER )

So, Germany needed an alternative route; hence, Ardenne. FRA never, ever thought that it was possible for GER to go
through that area.
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Old Jul 5th, 2012, 08:15 AM   #77
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Certainly France's darkest hour. IIRC, the French also forgot that the original plan for the Maginot Line called for a mobile reaction force to back it up, but over time they came to again believe solely in static defense and were thus locked into the wheel into Belgium.
Indeed probably one of the most shameful hour in France history (and it's quite recent so everybody knows about that), thanks to our brilliant general staff of the time
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Indeed probably one of the most shameful hour in France history (and it's quite recent so everybody knows about that), thanks to our brilliant general staff of the time
In retrospect France was done already when they didn't do anything against Germany's breaking into
Rhineland in 1936, in blatant breach of the Versailles Treaty. Clemanceau would've acted immediately. But those
political and military leaders then were SO timid..I believe it was Gamelin who scared the politicians by
exaggerating Germany's military strength then? Or was it somebody else? Anyway, you gotta hand it to them,
they practically acted as Germany's spy, bravo
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What was it, something like 90% of the German tanks and transport actually broke down when they moved into the Rhineland?

That wasn't entirely France's fault. Even though they would have had the Treaty of Versailles as justification, they probably would have received very little support from the rest of Europe. The British and the Poles were still more worried about the Soviets, the Italians were a little nervous about their future allies but were in no condition to stop them with a very weak military and the US was at best going to stay neutral, at worst it might actually have been slightly pro-German as Germany was a major trading partner and there was a general consensus the treaty was too rough on the Germans anyway.

France probably would have to go it alone, and if a shooting war had started even with their massive superiority in troops and equipment, they couldn't have afforded it with their wounded economy.
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yeah, nobody wanted the war, even the ordinary Germans. But the Germans followed Hitler to the bitter end..anyway before WWII Hitler was extremely lucky, everything was working for him (EVEN the French generals), his gambles always paid off..in the end, 'the luck simply ran out'

By the by it was the same as the problem of Soviet Union. Churchill was the most vociferous for aiding the Whites, but actually invading it? Domestic economies came first. Hell, biz from US and GBR actually preferred 'normalising' the relation to pursue profit there. Hoover also didn't want to do anything with the Soviet, let alone invading it, during the Civil War.
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and what of England? Churchill's position was QUITE precarious, actually. Narvik disaster (repeat of Gallipoli?), a lot still regarded him as quixotic and dangerous, the King & Chamberlain preferred Halifax to be PM, Halifax at first strenuously argued for an 'understanding' with Germany..one would shudder to think if Halifax succeeded Chamberlain as PM

and THAT Churchill was surprisingly generous to Chamberlain and Halifax after becoming PM. Considering the countless snubs he suffered from them before..really, Churchill was the perfect man to head GBR at that time..

US? Isolationist force comprised all ideological spectrum, from the ultra conservatives to socialists..FDR had to be extremely careful to steer the country into intervention..really, it's extremely lucky that GBR and US supreme leaders were not capitulards like FRA..
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at last finished Beevor's WWII book, am now sick of WWII for the time being

Japanese cannibalism is said to have been 'a systematic and organized military strategy'



Really, Japanese are something else. Their porno and horror films are notorious too for that matter. They will never be looked upon as a 'leader' of Asians.
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rape of nanking...
the japanese definitely got carried away during wwii.
war is usually an evil event, but they took it up an notch.
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they never surrendered either

No wonder U.S. decided to drop an atomic bomb.

The loss of men at Okinawa was horrendous. How many U.S. soldiers would have died if they
invaded the mainland? Japan was even teaching the girls to use bamboo spears by then.

Think about it. In a democratic country, the leaders would be extremely reluctant to risk
so many lives. One of the reason why the U.S. and British favored bombing. (The irony is
the casualty-rate of the bombers was staggering)
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yeah, from a purely country level perspective, japan deserved the a-bombs 100%.
but the 6 yr old boy in hiroshima who didn't give a @#$% about imperialism or politics or china never got a chance to grow up.
war = pure evil
it strips away our humanity in every sense.

thank god wwii is the worst war mankind will ever see (until someone butterfingers hits the first nuke button and kills us all...)
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yeah, from a purely country level perspective, japan deserved the a-bombs 100%.
but the 6 yr old boy in hiroshima who didn't give a @#$% about imperialism or politics or china never got a chance to grow up.
war = pure evil
it strips away our humanity in every sense.

thank god wwii is the worst war mankind will ever see (until someone butterfingers hits the first nuke button and kills us all...)
damn right, war is evil. And soldiers...probably the most pitiful job ever, to sacrifice your life and kill humans to satisfy the ruling elite's ambition or 'glory'

And yes, we're extremely lucky to live in this relatively peaceful time..
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they never surrendered either

No wonder U.S. decided to drop an atomic bomb.

The loss of men at Okinawa was horrendous. How many U.S. soldiers would have died if they
invaded the mainland? Japan was even teaching the girls to use bamboo spears by then.

Think about it. In a democratic country, the leaders would be extremely reluctant to risk
so many lives. One of the reason why the U.S. and British favored bombing. (The irony is
the casualty-rate of the bombers was staggering)
My old man was scheduled to hit the beaches with the 5th Marines. They were expecting up to 90% casualties in the first wave to hit the beach.

(His odds were a little better since he was a tanker, but not much).
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My old man was scheduled to hit the beaches with the 5th Marines. They were expecting up to 90% casualties in the first wave to hit the beach.

(His odds were a little better since he was a tanker, but not much).
Do you owe your birth to Truman then?

Nah, maybe to the Japanese Emperor then
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