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Old Jun 21st, 2012, 03:35 PM   #61
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It looks like some kind of M7 Priest with the gun removed. Mighty Canadians don't need guns to win a battle, guns are for pussies
It is. The Canadians used them during Totalize. Known as "Defrocked Priest" or "Kangaroos" they were the first true Armored Personal Carriers with much better mobility and protection that halftracks. While Totalize was only a partial success, the idea of the Kangaroo caught on and lots of Priests, Shermans and Churchills were converted for Commonwealth, U.S. and Free French units.

(The Canadians used the Priest because they were originally issued Priests for D-day. Once ashore and with their logistics set up, they converted back to their standard 25-lbers and new Sexton sp guns. So they had a bunch of Priests just sitting around, which they decided to put to good use).
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Do you find it fair that France was among the winners of WWII while we cooperated with Hitler?
I think it is, because we still had the Resistance but not sure though
I don't think it's fair, since France actually fought against the Allies at Africa And the others' contribution was rather negligible too. Hell, Yugoslavia better contributed to the war effort than France. But Churchill believed in strong France, so he insisted that France be the part of the committees. That was a political decision, to be sure
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More war-winning Canadian technology. The Otter recon car.

As for invading the USSR, there was actually a contingent in the Nazi hierarchy that viewed the Ukrainians and Belorussians as Aryans, distinct from the Russians. Had they actually split some of the republics off and turned them into allies, the war might have gone differently. A lot of Soviet citizens volunteered to fight against the communists government, but the Nazis quickly showed they were an even worse alternative.
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More war-winning Canadian technology. The Otter recon car.

As for invading the USSR, there was actually a contingent in the Nazi hierarchy that viewed the Ukrainians and Belorussians as Aryans, distinct from the Russians. Had they actually split some of the republics off and turned them into allies, the war might have gone differently. A lot of Soviet citizens volunteered to fight against the communists government, but the Nazis quickly showed they were an even worse alternative.
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the arbitrariness of racial prejudice sometimes fascinates me. like in apartheid south africa, hong kong natives were "white" but chinese were not.
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Waffen-SS foreign volunteers and conscripts (from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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German (no connection to the Waffen-SS or Wehrmacht) trained and equiped division under Chiang Kai-shek [Nationalist Party, the Kuomintang (KMT)] :

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More war-winning Canadian technology. The Otter recon car.
I think the enemies probably directly fled when they saw this beast of war, even a Tiger had no chance against it

Look at all these guns and the heavy armor enhanced by a rescue wheel !
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I think the enemies probably directly fled when they saw this beast of war, even a Tiger had no chance against it

Look at all these guns and the heavy armor enhanced by a rescue wheel !


Silly man! Every one knows that Otters don't fight Tigers!


However, Otters have friends in high places...




Boom! Boom!



Oh, Otter laughs and laughs some more!
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The Typhoon (it's maybe a Tempest on your pic, I'm not sure) is a mighty plane indeed

This is a replica in the Memorial Museum in Caen, Normandy:



This is the wreck of tank ace Michael Wittmann's Tiger after possibly being hit by a Typhoon rocket, one of probable scenario, with the hit of a Sherman Firefly possible too, maybe Max will claim the Tiger has been destroyed by a Crusader



Anyway the Typhoons were the nightmare of German tankmen. Far more dangerous than most of Allied crappy tanks.
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If my Uncle was interested in tennis, he would love this thread, a devout Military Historian, specialising in WW2 Artillery especially German Railroad Guns and German Artillery, Geogrpahical Maps and the Scottish regiments and involvement During World War 2, He's published articles on the Gustav Dora (German Rail Gun) and the Boer War,

Anyway, There was a video taken by a German Soldier in Normandy I believe, for the life of me I can't find it, I saw it on the History Channel, of a Scottish Lone Piper piping, and the Germans showing the respect and letting him pipe through on his way, leading others into battle,

The drone of the bagpipes, in that time and space, just an amazing thought and illusion to hear such a terrifying and ghostly sound upon battle.
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The Typhoon (it's maybe a Tempest on your pic, I'm not sure) is a mighty plane indeed

This is a replica in the Memorial Museum in Caen, Normandy:



This is the wreck of tank ace Michael Wittmann's Tiger after possibly being hit by a Typhoon rocket, one of probable scenario, with the hit of a Sherman Firefly possible too, maybe Max will claim the Tiger has been destroyed by a Crusader



Anyway the Typhoons were the nightmare of German tankmen. Far more dangerous than most of Allied crappy tanks.
The destruction of Wittman's Tiger (and the rest of his depleted company) is usually credited to A Squadron of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry, (with the kill shot fired by Trooper Elkins) during a counterattack on advancing Canadian and British troops during Totalize. Some sources claim the shot was fired by a Sherbrookes Fusiliers Sherman, but given the way Wittman's tank was comprehensively destroyed it was most likely a flank shot, which would support Elkin's claim.

Regardless, it was certainly a Firefly and not a Typhoon that got Wittman--and most likely a British one.
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Indeed the Firefly option seems more likely, but the Typhoon option is more representative of German tanks being slaughtered by Allied air superiority and fighter-bombers.

The Tiger on the picture was probably ammo-racked judging by the torn turret. No chance of survival for the crew.
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Can anything be more pathetic than the Fall of France? At one town Germans found that French soldiers were behind bars
for 2 days when they arrived(they locked themselves) The Germans of course ridiculed the idea of 'Grande Nation'.

Gamelin is one of the worst generals of all time, but Reynaud made a cardinal error by appointing Maxime Weygand, ultra
conservative in his stead. Weygand blamed the fall of France not to the generals but to Popular Front and schoolteachers
And of course vociferously argued for the immediate peace with Germany, backed by Petain. Both were obsessed with
'revolutionary' elements; as they say, 'Better Hitler than Blum' Weygand even argued that Paris was occupied
by the communist leader Thorez during a cabinet meeting; Georges Mandel (one of the few who stood up to the end) promptly
called Paris to check it out, and of course it was false
Naturally some historians argue that the 3rd Republic had already been killed off by an internal military coup by Weygand,
Petain and Darlan.
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Certainly France's darkest hour. IIRC, the French also forgot that the original plan for the Maginot Line called for a mobile reaction force to back it up, but over time they came to again believe solely in static defense and were thus locked into the wheel into Belgium.
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