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View Poll Results: Who's responsoblecfor WWI

germany 19 26.76%
austria-hungary 12 16.90%
serbia(including the terrorists, Apis, Pasic and else) 17 23.94%
russia 2 2.82%
france 3 4.23%
britain 4 5.63%
italy by attacking lybia 2 2.82%
socialists (the reason monarchy started war to stop them!) 1 1.41%
Potiorek(stupid governor responsible for security in Bosnia) 1 1.41%
everybody(sleepwalking thesis by Christopher Clark) 10 14.08%
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Old Jan 4th, 2014, 01:46 AM   #1
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Who's responsible for WWI?

The thread of the year has arrived

Centennary of 1914.

Accordingly lots of books came out, by Clark, Hastings, MacMillan, but still in Tuchman's shadow

In the 1960s Fritz Fischer of Germany caused hysteria from the German history establishment by advancing the theory that German military blatantly planned for the war. The variant of this is now accepted, whereas Clark, a noted Germanophile, strongly disagrees.
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Old Jan 4th, 2014, 01:58 AM   #2
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Re: Who's responsible for WWI?

Italy attacking libya caused a chain reaction: two Balkan wars to devour the Osman Turk empire. Like Mussolini attacking Abyssinia(which lead to the demise of the League of Nation), Italy is quite an initiator.

Britain? Some blame Grey for being too vague, thereby whetting Germany's appetite.

Should I have included Belgium? They refused Germany's 'guarantee'

France? If only they gave two fortresses as a bona fide as Germany demanded as their proof of neutrality
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Old Jan 4th, 2014, 02:21 AM   #3
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Re: Who's responsible for WWI?

In America, we are taught that WWI started as a chain reaction after a Serbian nationalist assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, which lead Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia, pulling all the world powers to declare war on each other. (which puts the blame on Serbia)

It's interesting to see the theories you mentioned, as I have never heard of them. It's impossible for history to be objective!
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The ruling classes of the powers involved.
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Queen Victoria, as both Czar Nicholas of Russia and Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany were her nephews.
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In America, we are taught that WWI started as a chain reaction after a Serbian nationalist assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, which lead Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia, pulling all the world powers to declare war on each other. (which puts the blame on Serbia)

It's interesting to see the theories you mentioned, as I have never heard of them. It's impossible for history to be objective!
Do try Tuchman's 'Guns of August' it's loads of fun!

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The ruling classes of the powers involved.
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Queen Victoria, as both Czar Nicholas of Russia and Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany were her nephews.
Both so indecisve and weak And they were nephews? I thought Wilhelm was her grandchild
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Re: Who's responsible for WWI?

this is a grade 9 question

there were 4 MAIN causes of WWI

Militarism
Alliances
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In America, we are taught that WWI started as a chain reaction after a Serbian nationalist assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, which lead Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia, pulling all the world powers to declare war on each other. (which puts the blame on Serbia)

It's interesting to see the theories you mentioned, as I have never heard of them. It's impossible for history to be objective!
That's not really the cause, merely the trigger.
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Old Jan 4th, 2014, 09:15 AM   #10
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Italy attacking libya caused a chain reaction: two Balkan wars to devour the Osman Turk empire. Like Mussolini attacking Abyssinia(which lead to the demise of the League of Nation), Italy is quite an initiator.

Britain? Some blame Grey for being too vague, thereby whetting Germany's appetite.

Should I have included Belgium? They refused Germany's 'guarantee'

France? If only they gave two fortresses as a bona fide as Germany demanded as their proof of neutrality
sure, everybody who refused to do whatever germany wanted was more responsible than germany itself

seriously, though, this is such a fail thread. we are offered to vote on a series of controversial options even though there is a general agreement what the driving force behind the ww1 was and it was imperialism and the conflict between the big european powers. the late emergence of germany as a great power meant that they started to overtake older big powers in terms of industrial power but they didn't have as many colonies and didn't control ressources, maritime routes etc. the conflict was delayed by a series of measures but it eventually erupted. the only poll options that come close to representing the actual situation are "germany" and "everybody" with germany being far closer to the truth but still being a simplification.

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In America, we are taught that WWI started as a chain reaction after a Serbian nationalist assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand of Austria, which lead Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia, pulling all the world powers to declare war on each other. (which puts the blame on Serbia)

It's interesting to see the theories you mentioned, as I have never heard of them. It's impossible for history to be objective!
i'm sure american education system is much better than what you are making to look like.
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That would have been my answer even as late as last year. Now that I have learned more of how history is written, not so sure anymore.

That is given reason. Like Mohamed Bouazizi, Tunisian who set himself on fire, is given reason for Arab Spring.

There was major unrest loooooong before that happened. Not reported by MSM, so it had to say it was that single event. That triggered the bomb, but was not cause of it.

Like WW1 was not caused by Princip, it just triggered the bomb. What was behind all, who is responsible ... don´t have enough knowledge to say. So my answer to topics question is. I don´t know.
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Re: Who's responsible for WWI?

We already have WW2 thread somewhere. Reply there if this is closer to that...

Once we come to conclusion of who started WW1. We can blame that for starting WW2 as well. Because Treaty of Versailles was main reason of that. Ordered Germany to pay reparations so big that it would make them about 100 years to pay them

If that isn´t creating nation of unhappy people, I don´t know what will...

Couple examples. If Greece was to pay its debt in full. That would take about same amount of time. They seem to have hard time accepting even tiny decrease in living standards... As losers of WW2 Finland paid reparations to Soviet Union for about 10 years and that was that. Tough to lose a war and pay for it. Imo that is very close of maximum time you can make one country to pay reparations without them saying f* off.
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who is responsible to all wars - nationalists Men
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this is a grade 9 question

there were 4 MAIN causes of WWI

Militarism
Alliances
Imperialism
Nationalism
Where you study? Karl Marx school of how the World should be?

Opposite of those are... (all not in my english vocubalary, so sorry if these are not correct)

Unilateral - All on same page
No alliances - All have 100% same view of things
Protectionism - Wants to hold current ground
Antinationalism - No nations. One world

Now, in Marxist mind this might look good on paper. How you going to sell this? Oh, we not sell. We socialist... No trade, no currency. FREE of capitalist world!!!

Except you keep selling it. By forcing it down our throat, like all before you...
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who is responsible to all wars - nationalists Men
Ummmm. No. I go with religion (or oil). But good try
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