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Old Oct 10th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #1
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Navratilova and Federation Cup

A few questions:

1. Why did she not play more often? She was proud of being an American, she enjoyed Team sports, so why did she not play for the US in 1981, 1983 to 1985, 1987, 1988, and after 1989?

She could have played in doubles in 1981, but didn't. Why not?

2. Why was Andrea Leand as the no. 3 player on the team in 1982 and not Austin/Jaeger/Shriver?
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Re: Navratilova and Federation Cup

I suppose that it was because Fed Cup was played during a single week in a single location with a single surface so the moment the competition wouldn't fit into Martina's schedule (and, therefore, other players' too) she would skip it. I guess she decided to participate in 1986 because it was played in her home country and in 1989 because it was Chris Evert's last competition ever. In 1982 it was played in the USA.

I don't know about Andrea Leand. Maybe, since Jaeger and Austin had already won the cup, they decided to skip it? Shriver debuted in 1986 and stated in her diary that she would do so because it was a special moment for Martina. Maybe she didn't care at all about the competition before that?
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I suppose that it was because Fed Cup was played during a single week in a single location with a single surface so the moment the competition wouldn't fit into Martina's schedule (and, therefore, other players' too) she would skip it. I guess she decided to participate in 1986 because it was played in her home country and in 1989 because it was Chris Evert's last competition ever. In 1982 it was played in the USA.

I don't know about Andrea Leand. Maybe, since Jaeger and Austin had already won the cup, they decided to skip it? Shriver debuted in 1986 and stated in her diary that she would do so because it was a special moment for Martina. Maybe she didn't care at all about the competition before that?
Thank you Sonf. I assume the same, but I was wondering if the answer ever actually arose by MN herself, why she did not play. Jaeger played again in 1983 and Austin withdrew with an injury in 1983, I rather think they did not want to join as substitutes which they would have been in 82. But I'm wondering if it was actually planned to get them on the team? Also, there were only 3 players on the US team so maybe Austin or Jaeger withdrew last minute?

Shriver played in 84 or 85, still you might be right, as Shriver wouldn't have played on clay if not for MN in 86.
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Re: Navratilova and Federation Cup

I'm writing from memory but if I recall correctly, Shriver said in her diary that Fed Cup usually conflicted with her schedule and, besides, she normally played Wightman Cup so she felt that she had done her job. In 1985 she chose to play Filderstadt while Garrison, Jordan, Walsh and Burgin went to Nagoya and lost in the final to Czechoslovakia. Burgin had to replace an injured Garrison in the semis and the final and Pam had a poor choice of words when she said, maybe to Burgin, that the US was sending her B team again

In 1984 Fed Cup was played in Brazil and on clay so Shriver had no business being there. The team, which lost to Australia in the SF, was formed by Horvath, Jordan, Garrison and Smith.

In 1983 it was played in Zurich and on clay again. Jaeger, Candy Reynolds and Paula Smith were the team.

In 1981 Evert, Jaeger, Casals and Jordan won the cup and Navratilova, Evert and Leand defended it in 1982. Evert also played and won in 1980 with Austin, Jordan and Casals. Out of these three, only the 1982 Fed cup was played on hard courts.

In 1979 Pam was in the middle of her slump and Evert, Austin, Casals and King made it to the team which won. The year before that same team clinched the cup in Australia but I suppose Pam was not selected.

SO my guesses: Chris probably chose to skip Fed cup after winning it six years in a row. Austin played and won the tournament three years in a row and in 1981 she was already playing a selected schedule due to recurring injuries. Jaeger was a substitute in 1981 and 1983 and Martina played in 1982 so Pam had no singles spot there. Also, I guess Pam wasn't considered for doubles until Rosie's decline since the latter was the more experienced player and Pam was just starting her remarkable partnership with Navratilova. It's weird that she didn't play doubles in 1982 but maybe Leand was chosen as a possible singles replacement. Navratilova and Evert played most of the doubles anyway so I suppose that was the plan all along.

As for Martina. I think she wasn't eligible to play until 1980 or 1981 due to her nationality issues and I don't think she felt too tied to the competition at all since she only played here and there and because of certain reasons. So, in 1982 it may have been the first time she could represent the US team on American soil, in 1986 it was her return home and in 1989 it was Evert's farewell. From that moment on, Navratilova only played in order to get in the Olympic team in 2003 and 2004 and a random tie in 1995.
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Re: Navratilova and Federation Cup

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A few questions:

1. Why did she not play more often? She was proud of being an American, she enjoyed Team sports, so why did she not play for the US in 1981, 1983 to 1985, 1987, 1988, and after 1989?

She could have played in doubles in 1981, but didn't. Why not?
As Sonf@ mentions, in 1981 she still might have had nationality eligibility issues. In 1987, she had an ankle injury. In 1988, FC was horribly scheduled and located (in December in Australia), but I somehow doubt Navratilova would have participated even if had been convenient.

In 1983 to 1985, it seems that she and Evert just didn't want to play. "I can't pinpoint the reasons why Evert and Martina don't play for us," then-coach Tom Gorman said in 1985. "Ninety-nine percent of my responsibility as coach is picking the team. I just go down the list and send out invitations. But when their answers come back, they just don't want to play." There is perhaps more to it than that, because Marty Riessen returned to coaching the US team in 1986.

In 1990, she was presumably still drained from the ninth Wimbledon.

And thereafter, her usual "explanation" was that Fed Cup conflicted with World Team Tennis. Mmm-hmm-hmm.
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Re: Navratilova and Federation Cup

Sonf, thanks for the correction, I was so sure Shriver played in 84 or 85, but she didn't. In 83 Austin withdrew last minute due to an injury, so Reynolds, who wasn't in the top 50 at the time and a double specialist, had to singles. She did a good job, but it was over in the semifinals vs. CSSR.
I don't think Jaeger was a substitute in 81, she was on the team as a no. 2 in the world, which she was during the US Open, and that's when they selected the team I believe.
Thanks Ms. Anthropic, interesting Statement by Gorman. Overall it looks like MN just didn't think Federation Cup was very important unless on very special occasions like in 82,86,89. Evert usually played except for 83 to 85 - a period when Navratilova and Evert were focusing on being the no. 1 and couldn't be bothered with Federation Cup.
Still wondering if there was originally a fourth Player on the team in 82. Cause what if MN or Evert get injured? There were at least 5 players who would have been a better substitute than Leand.
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Re: Navratilova and Federation Cup

Why this high tone,Martina gained citizenship in july 1981 maybe the Fed cup was played before july, in 1987 Martina had a very bad sprained ankle and could not play.

In 1992 she had promised to play Team Tennis during the Fed Cup and since Fed Cup was played in one week she also lost her chances to play in the Olympics in Barcelona 1992 they were very strict then. Compared to the William Sisters who sometimes only had to sit in the stands when injured or play one match in four years, they were not that nice to Martina.Could they still not find better players after 1992 then a 35 or 36 year old Martina.

After all compared to the born americans she was considered anoutsider some people think of her as non american the same with Monica Seles. Think of 1975 Martina played Federation Cup for Czechoslovakia she knew already she was going to defect and still with two other young players brought the cup home. The only player who won Fed cup or Davis Cup for two different countries.
Martina really was the star of the team winning all her matches without losing a set, she did it for the people and country not for the communists.The communists really panicked definitely knew for sure that Martina was very good and the last part of her troubles began, we know where it lead to. The federation cup in 1986 in Prague was also great. A crowd that was totally behind Martina not against their country but for a player unconditionaly.
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I'm pretty sure Chris played Whitman Cup the years she didn't play Fed Cup. I think the mentality at the time was that you played on one or the other and as such did your 'patriotic' duty. I would imagine it was a hefty decrease in salary for any of the top players to play one of the team events, and so I'm sure they thought they could better spend their time resting or playing an exhibition.
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Why this high tone,Martina gained citizenship in july 1981 maybe the Fed cup was played before july, in 1987 Martina had a very bad sprained ankle and could not play.

In 1992 she had promised to play Team Tennis during the Fed Cup and since Fed Cup was played in one week she also lost her chances to play in the Olympics in Barcelona 1992 they were very strict then. Compared to the William Sisters who sometimes only had to sit in the stands when injured or play one match in four years, they were not that nice to Martina.Could they still not find better players after 1992 then a 35 or 36 year old Martina.

After all compared to the born americans she was considered anoutsider some people think of her as non american the same with Monica Seles. Think of 1975 Martina played Federation Cup for Czechoslovakia she knew already she was going to defect and still with two other young players brought the cup home. The only player who won Fed cup or Davis Cup for two different countries.
Martina really was the star of the team winning all her matches without losing a set, she did it for the people and country not for the communists.The communists really panicked definitely knew for sure that Martina was very good and the last part of her troubles began, we know where it lead to. The federation cup in 1986 in Prague was also great. A crowd that was totally behind Martina not against their country but for a player unconditionaly.
Thanks for your input, Wimbledon. The Federation Cup was played after the US Open in 81, so she could have played (in doubles). MN, like Seles and Sabatini wasn't allowed to play the Olympics in 92 because they didn't play Federation Cup a year before, in 1991. It was a debatable rule, I agree.

You are totally right with what you're saying about Martina playing for Czechoslovakia, and she had to represent them, it was the top player's duty to play Federation Cup and the national Championships. Otherwise they would have gotten into trouble with their federation. Maybe it's more in people's mind that Navratilova is not from America because the whole issue was in the press so much, everybody knew she was coming from a communist country. With Seles, I don't think people ever thought about it much after 1995, cause even before the stabbing she was trying hard to appear as if she was one of them, and she actually lived in Florida since she was a child. It seemed Logical that she would gain the US citizenship at some point.
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I'm pretty sure Chris played Whitman Cup the years she didn't play Fed Cup. I think the mentality at the time was that you played on one or the other and as such did your 'patriotic' duty. I would imagine it was a hefty decrease in salary for any of the top players to play one of the team events, and so I'm sure they thought they could better spend their time resting or playing an exhibition.
Thanks Pam, I think you're right. Plus, in 84 and 85, playing far away in Brazil and Japan, didn't help to make them play. Especially in those 2 years the Cup was suffering from top players not showing up, also some West Germans and Australians skipped it.
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Re: Navratilova and Federation Cup

When Martina got her U.S. citizenship in 1981, she was the fourth-ranked American singles player. And there were no doubles rankings back then.

1983, 1984, 1985, 1988 - neither she nor Evert played Federation Cup. Martina was on the Wightman Cup team in 1983.

1987 - she was supposed to play in Vancouver but had to withdraw with an ankle injury

1990 - she was nominated for the team in Atlanta, but decided not to play because of her knees. She later had surgery in the fall and missed the season-ending Championships.

1991 - 1994 - she was committed to WTT for July and part of August.

She also played doubles in the quarterfinals in 1995, the semis and finals in 2003, and the first round and quarterfinals in 2004. She coached the U.S. Fed Cup team in 1997.
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Thanks Zummi. 87 would have been a good preparation for the US Open (which she won anyways)).
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Martina remains the only woman to win the Fed Cup for two different nations. She was also undefeated in Fed Cup until her late 30s.
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84 was a triple nonstarter for Martina. Brazil-on clay-and right after Wimbledon, when she would naturally want to rest.

1985 was more a shame IMO. Neither Martina nor Chris stepped up. Pam Shriver also was a no show, joking about how the US was sending the "B-Team", which included Pam's friend Elise Burgin.

From Passing Shots, "Boy did she let me have it! And rightly so; I feel a little ashamed about my remarks." (p 182).


I would love to see some video of the 1986 Fed Cup in Prague. Clearly it was special for not only Martina, but for Chris and Pam too. After 11 years Martina got a rapturous reception from Czechs.
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Rollo, there are bits and pieces on YouTube. Evert vs. Sukova and vs. Bunge for instance and I think Navratilova vs. Mandlikova.
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