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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 02:10 AM   #1
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Great Careers that Never Happened

We all know the stories of Connolly, Austin and Jaeger: players who made it to the top or at least near the top only to have their careers cut short. What about players of the past who were supposed to be the next great player and just never made it. Maybe great juniors or players who roared into the pros and then just plateaued or fizzled. Lots of hype but no results. Who fits in this category?
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 02:15 AM   #2
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I remember in 1987, I was at a tournament reading the WTA guide and Martina N said that the young player that she thought had the best chance to be the next #1 was Claudia Porwik. Ouch! I never saw her play, but at best she was a fair doubles player and a mediocre singles player.
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 03:00 AM   #3
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We all know the stories of Connolly, Austin and Jaeger: players who made it to the top or at least near the top only to have their careers cut short. What about players of the past who were supposed to be the next great player and just never made it. Maybe great juniors or players who roared into the pros and then just plateaued or fizzled. Lots of hype but no results. Who fits in this category?
I'm a little fuzzy on this one, but I vaguely recall once listening to some tennis experts talk about players who were really hyped but later didn't turn out as great as had hoped. One guy they mentioned was a player named Billy Martin. They said that when he was still very young they even had a racquet named after him. Thought he was going to the next Laver or whatever. He did well, just not as great as he was hyped. I don't know the whole story. Anyone else recall this guy?
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I'm a little fuzzy on this one, but I vaguely recall once listening to some tennis experts talk about players who were really hyped but later didn't turn out as great as had hoped. One guy they mentioned was a player named Billy Martin. They said that when he was still very young they even had a racquet named after him. Thought he was going to the next Laver or whatever. He did well, just not as great as he was hyped. I don't know the whole story. Anyone else recall this guy?
I know he won a mixed Slam with Anne Smith. Unfortunately, I think that was his career highlight.
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 03:05 AM   #5
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Wasn't Betsy Nagelsen supposed to be the next great American after Chris Evert before a back injury took her off the tour for awhile?
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 04:50 AM   #6
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I know he won a mixed Slam with Anne Smith. Unfortunately, I think that was his career highlight.
GASP! WHY- Billy made the 1977 Wimbledon quarters, losing to Gerulaitis- and also made two Slam Doubles Semis- 1981 French and 1980 Australian. (Actually, I knew the Wimbledon result- but I admit I cheated and looked up the doubles results on the ITF database. )

SEE- that's the good news and bad news of so many "potential championship level" tennis players' careers- some highlights here and there- but many, many years of dismal results, and certainly no Slam singles win- which was certainly true of Billy's career.

Indeed, Betsy was once considered a top prospect- touted in the aforementioned great tennis book, "You've Come a Long Way, Baby"- where the author compared her reach to Margaret Court's as I recall. I think Redondo was also spoken of highly in the same book.

There are SO many categories of flame-outs- the OH-SO-close-to-a-singles-Slam-win folks (Barker, Todd Martin, Mary Jo, Pam and Rosie- and paging Ms. Clijsters? Message for you, Ms. Dementieva?), the-good-careers-but-never-getting-THAT-close-to-obtaining-the-brass-ring-folks (Darling Carling, Temesvari), the-VERY-brief-shining-moment-folks (Lucic- who I believe Steffi touted as a sure thing after their Wimbledon win- understandable, since this was a terrific match), and the train wrecks (Please put illustration of Billy Martin here. I also remember a commentator once singing the praises of Mercedes Paz .)

Yep, the tennis graveyard is filled with the rotting, stinking corpses of so many potential tennis champions' careers.
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 05:34 AM   #7
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Here's my list - Peaches Barkowicz, Natasha Chmyreva, Marita Redondo, Anna Kournikova!!
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 06:21 AM   #8
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LOLA@your funny last line Neslus. Rotting corpes

The highpoint of Betsy's career was reaching the Virginia Slims of Newport in 1974. At the end of the week everyone was touting her as a future star.

Temesvari certainly makes the list of great flameouts. A class A example of PYT syndrome if ever I saw one. My theory about PYT's (pretty young things) is they let all the attention over their looks get in the way of acheiving potential. The other possibility is there was no potential to start with (can we say Monique Viele?)-but I'll just mention a few that fall under the PYT syndrome.

Temesvari
Tilden mentioned Kournikova (or as I called her "Pornikova")
Madonna Schacht
Cathy Lee Crosby (abandoned tennis for modeling-acting)
#1 PYT Gussie Moran-the sex bomb of the late 1940s who let it all get in the way of her tennis.
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Pauline Betz told Alfa and I about a California junior she was sure would be the best ever: Barbara Winslow. Winslow died of amoebic dysentery before she even had a chance to prove herself. Pauline thought she could have been another Mo Connolly.

Speaking of "Little Mo", at the US Nationals in 1949 crowds came out to see future #1-NOT Mo Connnolly, who was also there, but perky cute and cuddly Laura Lou Jahn, who just happened to be really blonde. Some things never change.

Laura Lou scared the beejesies out of the women by beating up on some of them when she only 14. She was so tiny she played with an oversize racquet to compensate. A la Tennis dads of today-Laura Lou's papa liked to pick fights with tennis brass and predict how his darling was going to rule the world.

There was just one problem with the whole scenario. Laura Lou couldn't beat Connolly. Mo must have hated all the attention Laura Lou got for her looks.
After being crushed again and again by Mo in the juniors Laura Lou faded from the scene.
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Tilden-Natasha Chmyreva sure merits discussion as a potential great. The poor gilr never has a chance after the Russians forced all their players off the circuit.

She sounded so bitter in an article from the 1990s-amd rightfully so IMO.

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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 07:12 AM   #11
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I recall Chmyreva doing well in World Team tennis, trading the singles spot with Morozova. She also beat Evert in WTT in at least one match at the start of the 1976 season.

I also remember Bill Tilden talking up his main protege (who was actaully featured in the ESPN Sportscentury piece) in one of his books, that he was the only up and coming player that stood a chance of real greatness, but his name escapes me now (Richardson?). But for numerous reasons, many players do well, even dominate the juniors, but do not successfully transition to the pros.

Another player who comes to mind is Michael Chang. Who would've guessed his lone Slam trophy would've come at the age of 17? Yes, he had some very good results in lesser tournaments and momentarily made it to #2 in the world, but from what I recall, he never even made a slam final again, let alone win one (let me know if I'm mistaken on this!). He certainly didn't live up to the official hype, that's for sure.
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Pascale Paradis, and Catherine Tanvier of France were both bigged up at various stages. I think there were high hopes for Pascale especially. She too turned out to be a handy doubles player, and only breifly made it into the world's top 15.

As for Catherine (la Borgette as she was called early on in her career due to her flowing blonde hair, headband and Fila clothing), Chris was a big supporter after she beat her in the 1982 AO, but it turned out to be a career beset by injury.

I also think that Carling Bassett, Kathy Rinaldi, and Manuela Maleeva all had careers that were ultimately disappointing despite the hype. I remember a 1985 interview where Chris said that she was looking behind her shoulder at Manuela Maleeva (as the number 3).

Gaby Sabatini, and Natasha Zvereva are also players that I feel didn't live up to their promise.
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GASP! WHY- Billy made the 1977 Wimbledon quarters, losing to Gerulaitis- and also made two Slam Doubles Semis- 1981 French and 1980 Australian. (Actually, I knew the Wimbledon result- but I admit I cheated and looked up the doubles results on the ITF database. )

SEE- that's the good news and bad news of so many "potential championship level" tennis players' careers- some highlights here and there- but many, many years of dismal results, and certainly no Slam singles win- which was certainly true of Billy's career.

Indeed, Betsy was once considered a top prospect- touted in the aforementioned great tennis book, "You've Come a Long Way, Baby"- where the author compared her reach to Margaret Court's as I recall. I think Redondo was also spoken of highly in the same book.

There are SO many categories of flame-outs- the OH-SO-close-to-a-singles-Slam-win folks (Barker, Todd Martin, Mary Jo, Pam and Rosie- and paging Ms. Clijsters? Message for you, Ms. Dementieva?), the-good-careers-but-never-getting-THAT-close-to-obtaining-the-brass-ring-folks (Darling Carling, Temesvari), the-VERY-brief-shining-moment-folks (Lucic- who I believe Steffi touted as a sure thing after their Wimbledon win- understandable, since this was a terrific match), and the train wrecks (Please put illustration of Billy Martin here. I also remember a commentator once singing the praises of Mercedes Paz .)

Yep, the tennis graveyard is filled with the rotting, stinking corpses of so many potential tennis champions' careers.
wonderful post Nelslus! I'd add

60s Susman (victim of Doris Day syndrome), Lesley Hunt (doomed to lose tight matches to Chrissie early on in the majors) and Karen Krantzcke.
70s: Barker (who could counter the double blow of a dog bite and Cliff Richard?), Fromholtz, Marsikova (pass the gin, hic!) and Chmyreva. Greer Stevens, Marise Kruger and Michelle Tyler were also touted as potentially top flight players.
early-mid 80s: Anne Smith, Catarina Lindquist and Bettina-of-the-million-passports Bunge, and two other Chrissie wannabes Lisa Bonder and Andrea Leand
Late 80s: Natasha Zvereva, Gaby Sabatini
Recent: Dokic and Stevenson.
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There were 2 players in the mid-80's (see "Courting Fame") who could have been "big" : Stephanie Rehe & Melissa Gurney. I assume the injuries put them away for big wins, and they were forced to give it up, but there were really good! I think Steph was the one with the biggest potential.
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There were 2 players in the mid-80's (see "Courting Fame") who could have been "big" : Stephanie Rehe & Melissa Gurney. I assume the injuries put them away for big wins, and they were forced to give it up, but there were really good! I think Steph was the one with the biggest potential.
Yes, I remember a lot of publicity about Rehe in particular. I only saw a highlight of her here and there but I didn't get to see in her what the pundits liked. She had a few good wins and then some problems with injury. Is she still married to Michael Graf?
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