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Old Feb 15th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #1
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Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

So six weeks are in the books, what do you think where each player is headed in the rankings and points-wise

1 Vika Azarenka 8585 Steady
2 Maria Sharapova 7680 Steady (one up or down)
3 Petra Kvitova 7220 Steady (one up or down)
4 Caroline Wozniacki 6310 Downwards
5 Samantha Stosur 5330 Steady
6 Agnieszka Radwanska 5230 Upwards
7 Marion Bartoli 4890 Steady
8 Vera Zvonareva 4690 Downwards
9 Na Li 4450 Steady (despite the huge of points to defend in Paris)
10 Andrea Petkovic 3880 Downwards (due to her injury, otherwise I would have said upwards)
11 Serena Williams 3580 Upwards (if only slightly due to her inactivity)
12 Francesca Schiavone 3575 Downwards (something is missing this year)
13 Sabine Lisicki 3108 Steady
14 Jelena Jankovic 3020 Downwards (it really looks like the end of her days in the top 20)
15 Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 2735 Downwards (injury, fatitis or both, she needs to do something)
16 Dominika Cibulkova 2575 Steady
17 Shuai Peng 2555 Downwards (results fit the news)
18 Ana Ivanovic 2535 Downwards (only slightly)
19 Julia Goerges 2475 Downwards (draws couldn´t have been softer and she did nothing with it, no margin for error on clay)
20 Angelique Kerber 2465 Upwards
21 Daniela Hantuchova 2450 Steady (Surprisingly, I would have had her lock for downwards before the season)
22 Maria Kirilenko 2180 Steady
23 Roberta Vinci 2170 Steady (another surprise steady)
24 Anabel Medina Garrigues 2105 Steady (and another)
25 Yanina Wickmayer 2035 Upwards (would be shocked, if she didn´t finish in the top 20, unless there is an injury setback)
26 Svetlana Kuznetsova 2031 Like you can predict that one
27 Lucie Safarova 2020 Or that one
28 Flavia Pennetta 1970 Upwards (despite the poor start, she is just too good a player)
29 Petra Cetkovska 1895 Downwards
30 Monica Niculescu 1860 Upwards (Lord helps us all )
31 Kaia Kanepi 1726 Upwards
32 Nadia Petrova 1705 Downwards
33 Jie Zheng 1635 Upwards (if 100% healthy, which already appears not to be the case again)
34 Kim Clijsters 1621 Upwards (too many points available in the tourneys she actually plays)
35 Sara Errani 1545 Steady
36 Christina McHale 1531 Steady (not as much of an upswing as people hope for, but she establishes herself in this region)
37 Mona Barthel 1492 Upwards
38 Polona Hercog 1490 Downwards (how did this even happen)
39 Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez 1377 Steady (don´t see her overcoming her injury problems, but still enough to win a few points here and there)
40 Shahar Peer 1370 Steady (results tend to come to fit players and she is fit again)
41 Ksenia Pervak 1370 Downwards (Until you prove you can actually beat good players, you tend to go down from these regions, see Marino)
42 Ekaterina Makarova 1334 Upwards
43 Jarmila Gajdosova 1315 Upwards (Just kidding)
44 Tsvetana Pironkova 1305 Steady ( maybe upwards thanks to Lisicki and Wimbledon happening twice)
45 Klara (Koukalova) Zakopalova 1260 Steady
46 Iveta Benesova 1260 Steady
47 Chanelle Scheepers 1231 Steady
48 Sorana-Mihaela Cirstea 1231 Upwards
49 Tamira Paszek 1207 Steady (no serve no improvement, sorry to say that)
50 Galina Voskoboeva 1188 Upwards ( I say that as cautiously as I can with crazy people)
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Old Feb 15th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #2
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Re: Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

I googled 'fatitis'....
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Interesting, seems spot on to me.
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Old Feb 15th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #4
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I googled 'fatitis'....
I didn't read this. I finished this part on 'fat'
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Old Feb 15th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #5
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It's called a non-return spatiotemporal vortex.




Which means that underachievers will underachieve more and vice versa.
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Re: Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

how can be Li Na even steady?
Or Azarenka not upwards?

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So six weeks are in the books, what do you think where each player is headed in the rankings and points-wise
Actually I'd mostly go along with those. I would make a few changes however and I put those in red. I also added a few other little comments here and there.

1 Vika Azarenka 8585 Steady number 1 for the foreseeable future
2 Maria Sharapova 7680
3 Petra Kvitova 7220 Petra and Maria should stay in the top 2 & 3 spots, probably with Petra overtaking Maria at some point soon.
4 Caroline Wozniacki 6310 Downwards
5 Samantha Stosur 5330 Steady
6 Agnieszka Radwanska 5230 Upwards, number 4 beckons.
7 Marion Bartoli 4890 Steady
8 Vera Zvonareva 4690 Downwards
9 Na Li 4450 Steady (Na Li looks vunerable to me, I expect her to drop well out of the top 10 after RG but to stabilise afterwards)
10 Andrea Petkovic 3880 Downwards (due to her injury, otherwise I would have said upwards)- Agree completely
11 Serena Williams 3580 Upwards (if only slightly due to her inactivity)
12 Francesca Schiavone 3575 Downwards (something is missing this year)- I'd say that something is she getting close to 32 y.o.
13 Sabine Lisicki 3108 Steady - I see her falling out of the top 20 over the summer.
14 Jelena Jankovic 3020 Downwards (it really looks like the end of her days in the top 20)
15 Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 2735 Downwards (injury, fatitis or both, she needs to do something)
16 Dominika Cibulkova 2575 Steady
17 Shuai Peng 2555 Downwards (results fit the news)
18 Ana Ivanovic 2535 Downwards (only slightly)
19 Julia Goerges 2475 Downwards (draws couldn´t have been softer and she did nothing with it, no margin for error on clay)
20 Angelique Kerber 2465 Upwards - could be top 10 by the Start of the US Open
21 Daniela Hantuchova 2450 Steady (Surprisingly, I would have had her lock for downwards before the season) Especially as the players around her aren't looking very strong I expect her to stay in the lower part of the top 20 for some time now
22 Maria Kirilenko 2180 Steady
23 Roberta Vinci 2170 Steady (another surprise steady)
24 Anabel Medina Garrigues 2105 Steady (and another)- Expect her to fall out of the top 30 fairly soon actually.
25 Yanina Wickmayer 2035 Upwards (would be shocked, if she didn´t finish in the top 20, unless there is an injury setback) Short term I expect her to fall actually - she has a lot of points to defend - but after Wimbledon she will start moving back up. I see her finishing around 20.
26 Svetlana Kuznetsova 2031 Like you can predict that one - So true
27 Lucie Safarova 2020 Or that one - Safarova will finish top 20.
28 Flavia Pennetta 1970 Upwards (despite the poor start, she is just too good a player) Flavia is a great player but age and fitness is now a factor. I don't see her in the top 20 again.
29 Petra Cetkovska 1895 Downwards - Disagree - She can move up more.
30 Monica Niculescu 1860 Upwards - Damn Right
31 Kaia Kanepi 1726 Upwards - depends on health and head - could be top 10 - could drop out of the top 50.
32 Nadia Petrova 1705 Downwards - for absolute sure
33 Jie Zheng 1635 Upwards (if 100% healthy, which already appears not to be the case again)
34 Kim Clijsters 1621 Upwards (too many points available in the tourneys she actually plays) Has to be upwards as she has so few points to defend.
35 Sara Errani 1545 Steady - Upwards
36 Christina McHale 1531 Steady (not as much of an upswing as people hope for, but she establishes herself in this region) - Top 30 would seem realistic to me.
37 Mona Barthel 1492 Upwards
38 Polona Hercog 1490 Downwards (how did this even happen)- Yeah - she's in a mess right now.
39 Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez 1377 Steady (don´t see her overcoming her injury problems, but still enough to win a few points here and there) Sadly agree.
40 Shahar Peer 1370 Steady (results tend to come to fit players and she is fit again)
41 Ksenia Pervak 1370 Downwards (Until you prove you can actually beat good players, you tend to go down from these regions, see Marino) -Yeah don't see her in the top 50
42 Ekaterina Makarova 1334 Upwards
43 Jarmila Gajdosova 1315 Upwards (Just kidding) Good one
44 Tsvetana Pironkova 1305 Steady ( maybe upwards thanks to Lisicki and Wimbledon happening twice) She's playing quite well it seems, could move up a bit.
45 Klara (Koukalova) Zakopalova 1260 Steady
46 Iveta Benesova 1260 Steady - I think upwards.
47 Chanelle Scheepers 1231 Steady - I think upwards.
48 Sorana-Mihaela Cirstea 1231 Upwards - Definately
49 Tamira Paszek 1207 Steady (no serve no improvement, sorry to say that) Paszek hasn't won a match this year - she looks in trouble - Downwards.
50 Galina Voskoboeva 1188 Upwards ( I say that as cautiously as I can with crazy people)
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dear Patrick trying hard.
I think I gave her the benefit of the doubt by throwing the injury option in there, although I really don´t believe it. I think she´s just out of shape and losing to everything that can keep her on the court for more than an hour. Pervak being the ultimate proof of that theory.
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When I first read fatitis I thought it said "fat tits"
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Re: Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

The obsession with ranking points / especially "defending points" here is crazy Who cares?

A more interesting concept is just whether players are broadly speaking going in the right direction and generally on an upwards trajectory in their careers (from the top 10: Azarenka, Sharapova, Radwanska), the wrong direction (Wozniacki, Zvonareva, Li, Petkovic), or roughly steady/stalled (Stosur, Bartoli)...Kvitova being somewhere inbetween going in the right direction and stalled, I think the play we've seen of her sofar this season is fairly inconclusive.
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I think I gave her the benefit of the doubt by throwing the injury option in there, although I really don´t believe it. I think she´s just out of shape and losing to everything that can keep her on the court for more than an hour. Pervak being the ultimate proof of that theory.
she was exaxtcly same last year, dont you think its interesting she was winning matches back then?

benefit of doubt my ass. You could have just let it go after the "downwards" but you just couldnt.
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Re: Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

Safarova will get to 21 and then her brain will explode and she will fall down to the mid-40's. She has a phobia of doing well for too long.
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Re: Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

1. Azarenka - Steady - #1 for a while, Top 3 all year certainty.
2. Sharapova - Steady - Top 5 all year, maybe more?
3. Kvitova - Steady - Top 5 all year, very good chance of more, #1?
4. Wozniacki - Downwards - Top 10 all year, but not at these heights (at least not until Summer where she could rebound)
5. Stosur - Steady - US points practically guarantee Top 10, but without them, maybe a slight drop
6. Radwanska - Upwards - Top 4 is beckoning in the near future, possibly more?
7. Bartoli - Steady - Finally establishing herself as a solid Top 10. Maybe more, but this is her level.
8. Zvonareva - Downwards - No major point clusters to defend for a while, but not looking good of late..
9. Li - Slight Downwards - Probably facing a slight decline, but could easily return.
10. Petkovic - Hard to Say - Depends how long this injury is. Steady if she's back and fit soon, down if not.

11. Schiavone - Downwards - Days at the very top seem limited, but she could easy stay Top 20.
12. Williams - Upwards - 2011 Inactivity should secure Top 10, but how much more...
13. Lisicki - Steady - Could break into Top 10, but at the moment, this is her level.
14. Jankovic - Slight Downwards - To good to drop out of Top 20, but nowhere near a Top 10 player anymore.
15. Pavlyuchenkova - Slight Downwards - Needs to sort things out promptly or it could be more severe...
16. Cibulkova - Steady - Will be in and around Top 20, but probably no more.
17. Peng - Downwards - Scary injury rumours, and already a bit to high really..
18. Ivanovic - Steady - Barring a miracle, she'll be hovering 15-25 for the career year.
19. Goerges - Downwards - I think she'll be out of the Top 30 unless she has a great clay season.
20. Kerber - Slight Upwards - I don't know about Top 10, but she will easily rise higher than this if she keeps playing well.

21. Hantuchová - Steady - Started well enough, and should be around this level all year.
22. Kirilenko - Steady - Solid in the Top 30, as ever.
23. Vinci - Slight Downwards - I think this level will eventually go away, but I think she's not going that far down the rankings.
24. Medina Garrigues - Steady - Solid in the Top 30 or so all year.
25. Wickmayer - Upwards - I think a Top 20 season is likely, but will do well to beat career high of 12. Hopefully she's now injury free..
26. Kuznetsova - Upwards - No way she's staying this low, but given the past two years, who the hell knows where she'll end up!
27. Safarova - Steady - Could potentially go upwards, but inconsistancy will prevent her going much higher.
28. Pennetta - Slight Upwards - I don't see her going Top 10 or anything, but she'll be higher than this.
29. Niculescu - Slight Upwards - She's getting good results...
30. Cetkovska - Downwards - I don't know much about her (other than that she likes to bitch Ana), or how she even got to this level...

At this point, I've just realised that I've listed far more players going downwards than upwards. Who the hell is going to replace them?

31. Kanepi - Hard to Say - Really not sure. On her day, she's a guaranteed climber, but she doesn't always show up...
32. Petrova - Downwards - I don't see her falling dramatically, but her days in the Top 20 are long gone.
33. Clijsters - Upwards - Despite tiny schedule, does well in virtually all tournaments effortlessly so an increase is certain.
34. Zheng - Hard to Say - I heard her injuries are returning, but a climber if not.
35. McHale - Steady - May climb, but I think she may spend a year or two around this level before moving up (or down).
36. Barthel - Upwards - Encouraging signs so far (not today mind!). Top 20 looking very possible...
37. Hercog - Slight Downwards - About as high as I ever see her getting at the moment, so may slip.
38. Martinez - Upwards - So many other players could drop, and I see her taking advantage. She's reliable unlike a lot of others.
39. Pe'er - Slight Upwards - I see her rising up again somewhat. She has looked better recently, and has little of note to defend.
40. Pervak - Slight Downwards - Hard to say, but I think she's pushing above her weight here. (No pun intended)

41. Gajdosova - Downwards - Could be doing so much better, but oh my god is she in dreadful form or what?
42. Makarova - Upwards - I think she'll get back to around the same level she was at last summer (around 30), though does have R4 RG hanging over her head.
43. Pironkova - Slight Downwards - Barring another Wimbledon miracle, I see her falling down.
44. Zakopolova - Slight Upwards - When others fall, I think she'll rise slightly because she's usually good at sticking around this level.
45. Benesova - Slight Upwards - Same as Zakopalova, though I don't think she's going to get that much higher.
46. Scheepers - Downwards - She's earned it, but I don't see her sticking at this level long-term at all.
47. Cirstea - Upwards - Seems to be reviving recently and could climb quite a bit if she keeps up the good form.
48. Paszek - Downwards - Can't look past those 500 Wimbledon points. She'll linger then fall.
49. Voskoboeva - Upwards - Will find it harder and harder to keep climbing, but I think she can get a little bit higher than this.

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Re: Six weeks into the season, where are they headed?

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The obsession with ranking points / especially "defending points" here is crazy Who cares?

A more interesting concept is just whether players are broadly speaking going in the right direction and generally on an upwards trajectory in their careers (from the top 10: Azarenka, Sharapova, Radwanska), the wrong direction (Wozniacki, Zvonareva, Li, Petkovic), or roughly steady/stalled (Stosur, Bartoli)...Kvitova being somewhere inbetween going in the right direction and stalled, I think the play we've seen of her sofar this season is fairly inconclusive.
the horde cheering after every Woz loss? lol you, acting clueless here.
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