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Originally Posted by GeeTee

May's third husband's name is Guy Fritz btw.

Added, thanks.

[Olympus]

Update on a player mentioned earlier in this thread.
Ruth Isabel PENNINGTON-LEGH (WINCH)
Born 26th August 1870 Ryde, Isle of Wight
Died late 1951 or early 1952 Anglesey, Wales.

I'm left with one mystery from the ladies of the 1908 Olympic tourament - Mildred Coles.
I currently have notes on her as follows:
"J. Mildred Coles - possibly known as Maud Coles? and possibly the great-aunt of Glynis Coles-Bond?
But this may be an amalgam of two or maybe even three different players."

[Rollo]

Mark is your better source on Mildred also using " Maud" as a name.

What I can confirm (via WTA Media Guides) is that the Mildred Coles who played the 1908 Olympics was indeed the great aunt of Glynis Coles.

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by Olympus

Update on a player mentioned earlier in this thread.
Ruth Isabel PENNINGTON-LEGH (WINCH)
Born 26th August 1870 Ryde, Isle of Wight
Died late 1951 or early 1952 Anglesey, Wales.

I'm left with one mystery from the ladies of the 1908 Olympic tourament - Mildred Coles.
I currently have notes on her as follows:
"J. Mildred Coles - possibly known as Maud Coles? and possibly the great-aunt of Glynis Coles-Bond?
But this may be an amalgam of two or maybe even three different players."

Hi,

Thanks for the additional info on Ruth Winch.
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As for Mildred Coles, she is very difficult to track down. It appears that Mildred was her real first name, although this might not have been the case. However, she did definitely have a sister, J. Coles (first name unknown). I've never heard of Mildred being referred to as Maud. The contemporary sources always refer to her just as "Miss M. Coles".

Mildred is listed as Mildred Coles in this quite reliable Olympic tennis media guide: http://2012.itftennis.com/media/80351/80351.pdf

Also, Mildred Coles married a Mr Davis around 1914, but it has not been possible to track down the exact details of this marriage. I didn't know that she was related to Glynis Coles.
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[Rollo]

Unsure how realiable this Beckenham list is-but it lists her as Miss J Mildred Coles in 1911.

http://www.beckenhamtennisclub.co.uk...eck_W_Roll.pdf

[Olympus]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r...ed=0CDEQ6AEwAA
This is the reference to "Maud Coles" from 1977.

[Rollo]

Digging some more I find the J Mildred Coles (from Beckenham) a bit suspect. The Wimbledon draws are quite explicit in listing Mildred as M Coles. There is both a M (Mildred) Coles and a J Coles in the 1912 Wimbledon draw.

Ayres Almanac from 1920 also lists M Coles as the winner of a 1907 event in Belgium.

From the scanty evidence I would go with the following:

1. Mildred Coles=M Coles who played in the 1908 Olympics.

2. Given your source she may also have went by "Maud". This isn't too uncommom. The Irish player Louisa Martin was also known as "Mollie".

3. J Coles (a younger sister?) is distinct from M Coles.

4. Until we know for certes any reference to a JM Coles might be an error coflating the two women.

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by Rollo

Digging some more I find the J Mildred Coles (from Beckenham) a bit suspect. The Wimbledon draws are quite explicit in listing Mildred as M Coles. There is both a M (Mildred) Coles and a J Coles in the 1912 Wimbledon draw.

Ayres Almanac from 1920 also lists M Coles as the winner of a 1907 event in Belgium.

From the scanty evidence I would go with the following:

1. Mildred Coles=M Coles who played in the 1908 Olympics.

2. Given your source she may also have went by "Maud". This isn't too uncommom. The Irish player Louisa Martin was also known as "Mollie".

3. J Coles (a younger sister?) is distinct from M Coles.

4. Until we know for certes any reference to a JM Coles might be an error coflating the two women.

Mildred Coles could have been Joan Mildred Coles or Jane Mildred Coles, but popularly known as Mildred. Hence the "Miss M. Coles" always found in sources. J. Coles was definitely Mildred's sister.
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Strangely enough, I've never ever seen Louisa Martin being mentioned as "Mollie" or "Molly" in any sources whatsoever, including Irish ones. I believe the only source for this is Arthur "Bud" Collins, who also referred to Dorothea Douglass (later Lambert Chambers) as "Dolly". It's clear, however, that although her full name was Mary Louisa Martin, she was known as Louisa. Hence the "Miss L. Martin" in contemporary sources.

Given the discretion exercised by journalists back when these players were active, it's extremely unlikely that either of these players had such a nickname. Dorothea Douglass was a vicar's (?) daughter, so "Dolly" would have been a highly inappropriate nickname for someone from her background.
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[something]

Dulko with Gago (The football player)
and Yan Zi with Li Sheng Jin (A Chinese merchant)

[newmark401]

Originally Posted by something

Dulko with Gago (The football player)
and Yan Zi with Li Sheng Jin (A Chinese merchant)

Added, thanks.

Mark

[Rollo]

Strangely enough, I've never ever seen Louisa Martin being mentioned as "Mollie" or "Molly" in any sources whatsoever, including Irish ones. I believe the only source for this is Arthur "Bud" Collins, who also referred to Dorothea Douglass (later Lambert Chambers) as "Dolly". It's clear, however, that although her full name was Mary Louisa Martin, she was known as Louisa. Hence the "Miss L. Martin" in contemporary sources.

Collins may have picked up on it, but it comes from an older source. On page 267 of Max Robertson's Encyclopedia of Tennis he refers to her as "Molly: Martin.

Given the discretion exercised by journalists back when these players were active, it's extremely unlikely that either of these players had such a nickname. Dorothea Douglass was a vicar's (?) daughter, so "Dolly" would have been a highly inappropriate nickname for someone from her background.

To me there's a big distinction between having a nickname and journalists using one. I agree that it's highly unlikely that journalists would have latched on to nickname unless the player had a real preference. Place matters here too, with Aussies and Americans being a lot more likely to use nicknames-note the high use of "Bessie" Moore.

Collins is inventive, so I have no idea if Chambers did use "Dolly." Being a vicar's daughter would have made no difference though in preventing her from using it as a nickname in the right cicumstances. After all Queen Victoria was "Vicky", King Edward VII "Bertie", and Kaiser Wilhelm II "Willy".

[GeeTee]

Originally Posted by Rollo

After all Queen Victoria was "Vicky", King Edward VII "Bertie", and Kaiser Wilhelm II "Willy".

Wasn't Queen Vic "Drina" for most of her childhood? Her daughter, Empress Frederick was "Vicky" though.

[Rollo]

Wasn't Queen Vic "Drina" for most of her childhood? Her daughter, Empress Frederick was "Vicky" though.

Yep. I stand corrected on Queen Victoria. Not for the first (or last) time!

[Rollo]

MARGARET TOOMEY
Australia
Born
Died
Married Martin

I have

TOOMEY, MARIE (Marie Therese Toomey)
Australia (NSW)
Married George Martin on 28 February 1950

*Note GT has Margaret-perhaps a nickname.



See

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...rchTerm=george

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I have

TOOMEY, MARIE (Marie Therese Toomey)
Australia (NSW)
Married George Martin on 28 February 1950

*Note GT has Margaret-perhaps a nickname.



See

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/arti...rchTerm=george

Added. I'm not sure where to put the Margaret.
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The player who comes after Marie Toomey in the thread married Luis Alaya, but her name has been accidentally deleted and I can't remember who she was.
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