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Old Nov 10th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #4711
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But Aga is also scheduled to play in Auckland, NZL and they in Top 10 can also only play 1 Int. Series' before Wimbledon. So we'll see who plays in Poland...
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Yes, this is really a surprise...it is a shame if Aga didn´t play her home event...but anyway she had some problems with polish press...
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Team Wozniacki have moved the danish tournament to Poland, can be a reason Caro will play... but it also said A.Radwanska will play, but only 1 from Top 10 can play in MM's.
It is Nordic Sports Group, which is behind the new International tournament in Poland?
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Old Nov 10th, 2012, 08:57 PM   #4714
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I don't know about NSG but it was said in a polish info Wozniacki (Caro's dad) and Radwanski (Aga's dad) was behind the new tournament.
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I don't know about NSG but it was said in a polish info Wozniacki (Caro's dad) and Radwanski (Aga's dad) was behind the new tournament.
Interesting. I didn't know. Then probably it's the 'Farum' license now being used to host the new Polish tournament.

Edit : If they want both Caro and Aga to play, they'll have to make it a $500k Int. and Aga cannot play an Int. at the beginning of the year. The Farum license was 'only' for an Int. event and to host a Premier event, they'd need to be approved for and able to buy a (n exciting?) Premier license.
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Comparing Caro and Frederik is effectively like comparing the team finishing 10th in the Premier League with the team which won the Blue Square League.
The name sounded a bit cartoonish so I did a quick search to make sure that you weren't making it up.So,are you basically saying that Caro's buddy Malou,if she were a European football team,would be in that Blue Square League?My guess is that,based on how you characterized the league,some players would pee their pants with excitement if they ever saw a lovely female celebrity such as Caro watching one of their humble matches,huh?
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So,are you basically saying that Caro's buddy Malou,if she were a European football team,would be in that Blue Square League
Using the analogy, Frederik was the Blue Square winner. Malou would be a pub team.
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I think this is mostly about expectations. Woz was expected to stay in top 3/5 this year, but underperformed badly. Nielsen, on the other hand, massively overperformed at Wimbledon, compared to the rest of his career (and so far, at the WTF). The odds must have been astronomical at the start of Wimbledon.

I will honestly be very surprised, if he doesn't get this award.
I hope he wins it. And I know Caro will be really happy for him if he does.
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But Aga is also scheduled to play in Auckland, NZL and they in Top 10 can also only play 1 Int. Series' before Wimbledon. So we'll see who plays in Poland...
This is a reason I hate with a passion the WTA rules. The book of rules is 500 odd pages which is ridiculous. And incidentally - the WTA break their own rules themselves sometimes. There's so many of them that it's pretty easy to do. For example when it comes to the rankings before the YEC at best the rules contradict themselves but really the WTA just don't do what they say. But there you go. With 500 pages - what do you expect.

Caro and Aga individually don't need the tournament for themselves. They'd play in Poland because it's a home tournament. Well in Aga's case it is and nearly a home tournament for Caro (home of her parents, Piotr involved in organising it, BFF with Aga). Aga and Caro aren't really there for the ranking points but to give back something.

If the WTA is worried about players "vultruring" or "whoring" ranking points there - that can be easily remedied without the draconian forbidding players to play there. All they have to do is tinker with what can count in your rankings if they are really concerned by that.

If the WTA is worried about losing players to the big tournaments by allowing players to play the smaller tournament - just ask who are the players that skip the big tournament? Not Caro or Aga. It's the players who don't play much period. They just penalise the players who are the least self-centred and who bail them out and don't let them down on the big tournaments.

It always annoys me that the players who have the least respect for the rules - the WTA can do nothing about. They are all bad rules continually getting flouted. At the end of the day - the WTA can never make a player play a tournament whatever the rules say. But they can stop a player playing somewhere period.

I really applaud players who play at their home event and at Fed Cup. This isn't about what's good for Caro or Aga personal development as a player. I don't think anything on personal gain should come into it. While I'm at it - I hate the idea of ranking points for any Fed Cup match that has been proposed and I also hate that players at present get any ranking points for the Olympics. You should approach those for your country - not your personal betterment.
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Using the analogy, Frederik was the Blue Square winner. Malou would be a pub team.
Have a friend who watched a FC Dubs match with Malou and Caro mostly for the magnificent visual splendor,and he told me that the opponents employed the rather simple strategy: At ALL Costs....HIT IT TO MALOU!

Caroline already seems disinclined to play too much Doubles but,for FC's sake,she MIGHT enter a few more tourneys IF she ever found a half-decent Danish partner....perhaps that guy has a younger sister?
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Why should she be happy for him?
I am quite staggerred that you should think she wouldn't. I mean if you read her twitter and her interviews - everything - she's always full of praise and happy for others. I actually think all tennis players - if they are the only one up there for their country - would love to see another fellow country player do really well. The idea that she can only be happy with what self self self does is nothing like the Caro I see. And it's a great feeling to be genuinely happy for others.

I don't know if you thinkthat it's all fake (I'm sure many in GM do). But believe it ior not - there are genuine nice people in this world. It would be so stressful and hard to fake all these expressions of happiness for others than to be genuinely happy for them.

Can a player be nice and successful? Well you have to put aside any feelings like that when playing on the court. But I don't see why you can't be nice and happy for others off the court.
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This is a reason I hate with a passion the WTA rules. The book of rules is 500 odd pages...
That was a very good post.

Too many stupid rules dictated by the money. I know the sponsors want some top players for their tournaments, but is it really that necessary to prevent them from playing certain other tournaments? Shouldn't it be their own choice? I mean, it's only the best 16 that count, and the top tier are always gonna play the PM's and P5's, even if they "whore" the MM's.
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This is a reason I hate with a passion the WTA rules. The book of rules is 500 odd pages which is ridiculous. And incidentally - the WTA break their own rules themselves sometimes. There's so many of them that it's pretty easy to do. For example when it comes to the rankings before the YEC at best the rules contradict themselves but really the WTA just don't do what they say. But there you go. With 500 pages - what do you expect.

Caro and Aga individually don't need the tournament for themselves. They'd play in Poland because it's a home tournament. Well in Aga's case it is and nearly a home tournament for Caro (home of her parents, Piotr involved in organising it, BFF with Aga). Aga and Caro aren't really there for the ranking points but to give back something.

If the WTA is worried about players "vultruring" or "whoring" ranking points there - that can be easily remedied without the draconian forbidding players to play there. All they have to do is tinker with what can count in your rankings if they are really concerned by that.

If the WTA is worried about losing players to the big tournaments by allowing players to play the smaller tournament - just ask who are the players that skip the big tournament? Not Caro or Aga. It's the players who don't play much period. They just penalise the players who are the least self-centred and who bail them out and don't let them down on the big tournaments.

It always annoys me that the players who have the least respect for the rules - the WTA can do nothing about. They are all bad rules continually getting flouted. At the end of the day - the WTA can never make a player play a tournament whatever the rules say. But they can stop a player playing somewhere period.

I really applaud players who play at their home event and at Fed Cup. This isn't about what's good for Caro or Aga personal development as a player. I don't think anything on personal gain should come into it. While I'm at it - I hate the idea of ranking points for any Fed Cup match that has been proposed and I also hate that players at present get any ranking points for the Olympics. You should approach those for your country - not your personal betterment.
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That was a very good post.

Too many stupid rules dictated by the money. I know the sponsors want some top players for their tournaments, but is it really that necessary to prevent them from playing certain other tournaments? Shouldn't it be their own choice? I mean, it's only the best 16 that count, and the top tier are always gonna play the PM's and P5's, even if they "whore" the MM's.
The WTA has to deal with sponsors, directors, tournament owners, the ITF, management companies, and star players.
Its a lot of juggling, and they cant do whatever they want. Some tournaments would rather pay a star $300,000, and only give the winner $35,000.
Plus management groups want a lot of power, as you can see with ATP not accepting $800,000 from IW.

For a star player, like Serena or Maria, if they dont want to play, they take a 0. Vika chose to play one match and not take a zero.

The WTA wants some say in whats going on, and its impossible to let each player have total freedom
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