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Protoss · Feb 11th, 2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DownInAHole

I tend to agree with Jimmie48 that it does appear that since she got together with Rory that her results have suffered but I also think that we need a bigger sample size to draw any firm conclusions. The other side of the argument would be that she wasn't exactly playing great after Indian Wells, before she had even met Rory. I think we should wait until after the next four hardcourt tournaments before condemning him. Maybe she is/was in a slump that would have been unavoidable?

Her play was a lot better post Indian Wells last year and before Bastad than after though.

I thought the results were good overall.

Before last year's summer hard court season, Caro hadn't gone more than 2 big (premier 5 or greater) hard court tournaments without reaching the semis since she reached her 1st big hard court final (2009 US Open). She's currently at 4 big hard court tournaments without a semi going into Doha. Prior to last fall's hard court season, Caro hadn't gone more than 5 hard court tournaments without making a semi since she made her first hard court final (2008 Stockholm). She's currently at 5 hard court tournaments without a semi going into Doha.

All of the top 10 besides Caro have reached a final after the US Open and all of the top 11 besides Caro have reached a semi.

I want to see at least 2 quarters and a semi in the next 4 hard court tournaments barring special cirumstances. If Caro doesn't at least come close to that, then I think she has a big problem.

Chrissie-fan · Feb 11th, 2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Protoss

I want to see at least 2 quarters and a semi in the next 4 hard court tournaments barring special cirumstances. If Caro doesn't at least come close to that, then I think she has a big problem.

I agree.

JadeFox · Feb 11th, 2012, 06:08 PM

According to her Twitter she is in Doha now. And it's windy apparently.

KamanKarolina · Feb 11th, 2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Protoss

Her play was a lot better post Indian Wells last year and before Bastad than after though.

I thought the results were good overall.

Before last year's summer hard court season, Caro hadn't gone more than 2 big (premier 5 or greater) hard court tournaments without reaching the semis since she reached her 1st big hard court final (2009 US Open). She's currently at 4 big hard court tournaments without a semi going into Doha. Prior to last fall's hard court season, Caro hadn't gone more than 5 hard court tournaments without making a semi since she made her first hard court final (2008 Stockholm). She's currently at 5 hard court tournaments without a semi going into Doha.

All of the top 10 besides Caro have reached a final after the US Open and all of the top 11 besides Caro have reached a semi.

I want to see at least 2 quarters and a semi in the next 4 hard court tournaments barring special cirumstances. If Caro doesn't at least come close to that, then I think she has a big problem.

So far I'm positive about her start to the year, it's not as though she simply got outplayed by Aga and at the AO she just came up against an opponent playing incredibly well. I know people say Azarenka was able to deal with Clijsters and Caro wasn't and therefore this shows some inherent deficiency in her game but Azarenka excels on Plexicushion whereas the slow speed and high bouncing balls certainly disadvantage Woz as her ability to hit through the court is even more hampered. I personally feel that her level of play was higher this year than at the start of last year, and instead she just faced tougher opposition this year compared to Sevastova and Schiavone.

I do agree though with your expectations , I'd be disappointed if she doesn't get to at least one final seeing as though compared to the rest of the top 4 , these hard courts seem to have been where Caroline has achieved some of her best results. In fact I'd be disappointed if she doesn't win at least one but we haven't seen her play enough for me to come to a full judgement as to what decent results would be for her at this stage.

goldenlox · Feb 11th, 2012, 08:54 PM

She's dropped off since Brussels. Now she cant get back to #1 for a long while.
But with 2 Premier 5's then 2 mandatories, all outdoor hardcourt, Caroline has a chance to get into the 2012 race.
Thats the best she can do, stay close to the top the next few months.
If she loses early at these premiers, she'll drop from #4.
If she wins Doha she moves up to #2 in the 2012 race, so a good run these next few months will set her up for a big 2nd half.

PushWoz · Feb 11th, 2012, 11:37 PM

5)Marion Bartoli (FRA) v BYE
Klara Zakopalova (CZE) v Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP)
Tsvetana Pironkova (BUL) v Polona Hercog (SLO)
Angelique Kerber (GER) v (9)Sabine Lisicki (GER)

(14)Svetlana Kuznetsova (RUS) v Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez (ESP)
Jie Zheng (CHN) v Maria Kirilenko (RUS)
Lucie Safarova (CZE) v Q
(2)Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) v BYE

I'm confident she will reach the QF with this draw. We'll see soon

Jimmie48 · Feb 11th, 2012, 11:40 PM

Yeah, that's a pretty favorable draw. Caro in normal form beats all of these players quite easily... but you never know these days...

terjw · Feb 12th, 2012, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmie48

I just don't see how you can just sit there and even celebrate it, sorry. It's frustrating to see people you care about make mistakes - How can you not be upset about this? I seriously don't understand.

You have to accept reality or you'll go mad. You have a theory which cannot be proven. Some agree. Most don't. I believe that the turning point was after Indian Wells - the last big tournament she won. And that was well before she met Rory.

And no-one here really posts threads celebrating them being together as you claim. We're mainly on Caro's tennis in this thread until this pointless arguing the last two pages. I'm not changing your mind. You aren't changing mine. Can we just not all agree that we are all Caro's supporters but respect we have different opinions on this.

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And I don't think it's asking too much, it seems to be what the other girls do. None of the other top players seem to be that focused on their love live than Caro is right now...again, I refuse to believe that that's a coincidence.

I'm sorry but that is asking way too much and it's ridiculous if you think you aren't asking too much. That she dumps the person she loves for you?

The thing is. We can talk about what she needs to work on tennis-wise to improve her game. Her schedulle. But wailing about Rory. It isn't going to happen that she dumps him because she hasn't had good results when she's been with him. They are in love. So after a while - wailing about it serves no purpose and just annoys other posters.

bruce goose · Feb 12th, 2012, 02:12 AM

Have to admit,it looks a little odd to see Caro's name in a draw with the #2 seed marked next to it;however,there's no big stigma attached to being #2 in a decent field...and none of us will care what Caro's seeding was if she wins the event

kestrel01 · Feb 12th, 2012, 07:23 AM

Caro apparently still working with Maciej Domka.

Arrival in Doha.

TennisFan66 · Feb 12th, 2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce goose

Have to admit,it looks a little odd to see Caro's name in a draw with the #2 seed

Ha! My thought exactly. I looked at the draw posted and it says 'Bartoli Vs Bye'. .. My initial thought was: 'Weird, so Caroline plays Bartoli in R2' ...

Ah well, better get use to trolling the draw for her name. It'll probably not be until 2H of the season, before she's back in pole position.

Jorn · Feb 12th, 2012, 04:17 PM

Even Rory did finished in TOP 10 in Dubai, he did not win, after Caro left he did start to play more badly... a Cheerleader there works!

KamanKarolina · Feb 12th, 2012, 04:39 PM

I have to say that it makes me uncomfortable to not see Caroline securely inside the top 8 in the race to YEC, even if she's only played 2 events so far! Here's hoping she cements herself in the top 4/5 over the next couple of weeks so the pressure is off a bit

Jorn · Feb 12th, 2012, 04:51 PM

Caroline plays U.Radwanska or Safarova on wednesday.

TennisFan66 · Feb 12th, 2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nidal1402

I have to say that it makes me uncomfortable to not see Caroline securely inside the top 8 in the race to YEC, even if she's only played 2 events so far! Here's hoping she cements herself in the top 4/5 over the next couple of weeks so the pressure is off a bit

While I agree, YEC must be the top priority going into every season, perhaps we should allow a little more than 2 tournaments before hitting the panic brake