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Old Feb 21st, 2012, 02:15 PM   #76
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so Petkovic and Kvitova with two zeros already?
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[/list]It matters Ė just look at the three questions you asked within the last days
and the statement you come up with:
well yes it matters for a few people like us who calculate rankings but for the majority of fans it does not matter I don't expect the WTA to publish the commitments for the sake of fans like us
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Serena did not get a 0 for Rome ... her only non-mandatory 0 is Tokyo

Venus did not get 0 for Toronto or Rome ... she has 0 for Cincy and had 0 for Dubai 2011 but it drops off now

Kim did not get 0 for Rome ... only Cincy and Tokyo ... I thought last year she got 0 for San Diego but for some reason it is not on her ranking anymore
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Babos - Cadantu at 74 and 82
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Na Li gets 0
Zvonareva NO
Kvitova was a commitment event so she should but not clear on that at moment.
Petkovic also a 0
How do you learn about the official Commitments taken by particular players, may I know? Two years ago I wrote to Ms McSween with a request for a list of those commitments and I got a negative answer. The reply was signed not by McSween herself but by her boss in the Tour Operations Dept, Linda Christensen, so I gave up. Did they change their policy and started to reveal the Commitments or you know some other means to retrieve this info anyway?
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How do you learn about the official Commitments taken by particular players, may I know? Two years ago I wrote to Ms McSween with a request for a list of those commitments and I got a negative answer. The replay was signed not by McSween herself but by her boss in the Tour Operations Dept, Linda Christensen, so I gave up. Did they change their policy and started to reveal the Commitments or you know some other means to retrieve this info anyway?
Thanks in advance for the answer, K.
no they havent changed their policy. You cant get all the commitments for whole year. K Fischer is a great help.
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Re: WTA Ranks Update Thread

Late arrival & thanks for the answer !

As rankings are inexplicable, IMHO WTA misses the goal to offer comprehensible rankings:
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Serena did not get a 0 for Rome ... her only non-mandatory 0 is Tokyo
Serena Williams finished in 2010 (# 4) as a Top 10 player who has to commit to four P5s & two P700 tournaments.

In 2011, her account shows 13 tournaments. As she played only six tournaments [2 GS (Wimbledon & US Open), no PM, two P5s (Toronto & Cincinnati), one P700 (Stanford) and one P tournament (Eastbourne is not entitled to player commitment due to lower price money)], she received seven mandatory 0 ranking points (Six for missing GS & PM and only one for missing a commitment tournament).

Why did Serena only receive one and not three mandatory 0 ranking points for missing at least three commitment tournaments (two P5 & one P700) in 2011?

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Venus did not get 0 for Toronto or Rome ... she has 0 for Cincy and had 0 for Dubai 2011 but it drops off now
Venus Williams finished in 2010 (# 5) as a Top 10 player who has to commit to four P5s & two P700 tournaments.

In 2011, her account shows eleven tournaments. As she played only four tournaments [all GSs except French Open, no PM, no P5, no P700 and one P tournament (Eastbourne is not entitled to player commitment due to lower price money)], she received seven mandatory 0 ranking points (five for missing GS & PM and only two for missing commitment tournaments).

Why did Venus only receive two and not three mandatory 0 ranking points for missing at least seven commitment tournaments (four P5 & two P700) in 2011?

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Kim did not get 0 for Rome ... only Cincy and Tokyo ... I thought last year she got 0 for San Diego but for some reason it is not on her ranking anymore
Kim Clijsters finished in 2010 (# 3) as a Top 10 player who has to commit to four P5s & two P700 tournaments.

In 2011, her account shows 14 tournaments. As she played only eight tournaments [2 GS (Australian & French Open, 2 PMs (Indian Wells & Miami), one P5 (Toronto), no P700, two P (Sydney & Paris are not entitled to player commitments due to lower price money) and one I (sí-Hertogenbosch) she received six mandatory 0 ranking points (four for missing GS &PM and only two for missing commitment tournaments).

Why did Kim only receive two and not three mandatory 0 ranking points for at least missing five commitment tournaments (three P5s & two P700)?
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Tennis Observer I was wondering the same thing myself ... don't really have an answer other than the WTA does not know how to institute their own rules

Only thing is I have to say I remember Kim did get a 0 for San Diego last year but now it seems to have dissapeared from her ranking
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If player is out with a long term injury (at least eight weeks) and already has three zeroes, then only mandatory tournaments (GS, PM and YEC) give additional zeroes.
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If player is out with a long term injury (at least eight weeks) and already has three zeroes, then only mandatory tournaments (GS, PM and YEC) give additional zeroes.
If mandatory tournaments are included in the maximum of three 0 points for missed tournaments, then I am able to follow Serena Williamsí mandatory seven 0 pointers for 2011 (GS Australian Open, GS French Open, PM Indian Wells, PM Miami, PM Madrid, P5 Tokyo & PM Beijing), which is in line with NA-MUGs examination.

However, I donít spot Kim Clijstersí six 0 pointers for 2011 as she didnít play P5 Dubai and withdraw from eight tournaments for various reasons [PM Madrid & P5 Rome (both right shoulder & wrist injury), GS Wimbledon & P700 Carlsbad (both right ankle injury), P5 Cincinnati & US Open (both left abdominal injury) and P5 Tokyo & PM Beijing (both abdominal muscle injury)]. The key might be that WTA values Kimís absence from P5 Cincinnati until season end as one long term injury (with two different causes) and P5 Cincinnati, US Open & PM Beijing are these maximum three for the long term injury (contrary to NA-MUG who found out that WTA included P5 Tokyo).
  • GSs Wimbledon & US Open and PMs Madrid & Beijing are four out of six zero pointer. Which ones are the other two (why only two?)?
  • As Kim played only P5 Toronto, please direct me to the other three P5 commitments.
  • As Kim didnít include any of her two P700 tournaments in her results (she withdraw from P700 Carlsbad due to right ankle injury) please direct me to the other.
As you have to split up Venus Williamsí long term injuries in 2011 in (at least) three long term injuries I also donít find her seven mandatory 0 points, but donít go into details here.

If a Top 10 player may only incur a maximum of three 0 points for missed tournaments due to injury or illness for at least eight consecutive weeks during the tour year (= long term injury) and this includes missed Mandatory tournaments then Andrea Petkovic should ony receive three mandatory 0 ranking points for missing GS Australian Open, PMs Indian Wells & Miami (I assume she will withdraw from the last two but read here that she likes to play in IW). I am looking forward to see the outcome.

From WTA 2011 Official Rulebook (p 212) or WTA 2012 Official Rulebook (p 228):
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(c) Top 10 Players may only incur a maximum of three (3) zero (0) points for Missed Tournaments due to a Long Term Injury; however, all zero (0) points for missed Mandatory Tournaments (i.e., Premier Mandatory Tournaments, Grand Slams and the Premier WTA Championships) must count on the playerís ranking. If there are less than three (3) Mandatory Tournament zero (0) point penalties during such absence, the priority order in counting the zero (0) point penalties shall be based on the highest Tournament Category Level of Missed Tournament first, and then to the first event missed during the Long Term Injury.
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Serena has 14 tourns on her rank

4 slams, 4 PM
Rome (0) Cinci & Toronto +
Brisbane, Eastbourne & Stanford

for Kim- This is what i've got for her 13 events (4 slams + PM)
plus Brisbane, s'-Hertogenbosch as well as Rome, Cinci & Toronto
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