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Old Jun 5th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #271
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Re: Bigger gap on clay- Serena vs Henin or Federer vs Nadal

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Right because Serena was the one who couldn't take the competition and "retired". How's this Serena's problem?

Also, that means Nadal leads Federer 4-0 if only counting the FO. You're not helping your argument there.


henin retired 2008. between french 2003 and 2007 they didn't played once on clay against each other...

and of course this is helping our argument, it means fed reached at least the final to play against nadal, while serena lost early and avoid henin. btw nadal leads fed 5-0 at rg (4 finals, 1 semi).
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Old Jun 5th, 2012, 12:12 PM   #272
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Right because Serena was the one who couldn't take the competition and "retired". How's this Serena's problem?

Also, that means Nadal leads Federer 4-0 if only counting the FO. You're not helping your argument there.
I was talking about h2h and you were talking about number of fo titles.Misunderstanding.
As for the first point : try to keep it on topic please.Justine was there from 2003 to 2008, yet after she won her first FO she only had the chance to meet Serena once on clay.It was cause of Serena was nowhere to be seen on the surface, not the other way around.And to extend the argument a bit, even once Henin was out of the tour, Serena failed to win the FO again.She's simply not that good on the surface.
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Old Jun 5th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #273
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I was talking about h2h and you were talking about number of fo titles.Misunderstanding.
As for the first point : try to keep it on topic please.Justine was there from 2003 to 2008, yet after she won her first FO she only had the chance to meet Serena once on clay.It was cause of Serena was nowhere to be seen on the surface, not the other way around.And to extend the argument a bit, even once Henin was out of the tour, Serena failed to win the FO again.She's simply not that good on the surface.
Please remind me again how many slams Serena won between 2003 and 2008?

Her slump in form had nothing to do with clay. She wasn't performing everywhere else. Sure, she has underperformed since 2008 on clay but that has nothing do with this. We already know it's her worst surface.

Ok, let me ask a simple question. If your life depended on predicting correctly the winner of either of the following two matches, which one would you pick?

Nadal v Federer on clay

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Serena v Justine on clay

I know which one and who I would pick. Nadal v Federer with Nadal winning. Which one would you pick? Keeping in mind that your life depended on this and all players are at their peaks.

Enough said.
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Old Jun 5th, 2012, 12:44 PM   #274
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Re: Bigger gap on clay- Serena vs Henin or Federer vs Nadal

I would pick Justine to win over Serena 100%. Given that Serena's mega weapon her serve is neutralized, Justine has more weapons to hurt Serena in a rally on clay. She has variety and much better defensive skills

The bigger problem Roger has when facing Nadal (apart from his backhand) is his inconsistency, he starts pretty well but then commits many unforced errors.
A peak Roger, though, would have minimum unforced errors and given that he is a much better offensive player the game would be close, as their first RG or Rome encounters were. Remember Roger even had matchpoints against Nadal in Rome on red clay so he could take a match against Nadal in RG if he played flawless tennis
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I would pick Justine to win over Serena 100%. Given that Serena's mega weapon her serve is neutralized, Justine has more weapons to hurt Serena in a rally on clay. She has variety and much better defensive skills

The bigger problem Roger has when facing Nadal (apart from his backhand) is his inconsistency, he starts pretty well but then commits many unforced errors.
A peak Roger, though, would have minimum unforced errors and given that he is a much better offensive player the game would be close, as their first RG or Rome encounters were. Remember Roger even had matchpoints against Nadal in Rome on red clay so he could take a match against Nadal in RG if he played flawless tennis
Nice, nice.....so let's turn it to grass. Serena vs Henin..Roger vs Nadal..even there Nadal has better chance of beating Federer than Henin has of beating Serena. So it ain't just surface.
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Right because Serena was the one who couldn't take the competition and "retired". How's this Serena's problem?
ROTFL so the fact Serena only managed to play Henin ONCE on clay from after the 2003 French until Justine's retirement in May 2008 is due to Henin's retiring. Serena had 5 years of opportunities to play prime Henin on clay and failed consistently to get far enough, usually anywhere near far enough, to do so. Heck one could say Serena all but tanked the clay season until Henin retired as she knew she couldnt challenge prime Henin on clay at all.

As for not taking the competition Henin had won 7 slams in the previous 5 years before her retirement. That is over double the next most which would be Serena and Sharapova who each won 3 from the time of Justine's first slam to her retirement. She had won 4 of the previous 5 French Opens. Yeah she must have retired since she couldnt take the competition, especialy on clay where the likes of Serena, and the next 4 French winners Ivanovic, Schiavone, Na, and Kuznetsova, were just too scary. Like most of your so called arguments your logic is warped from another planet.
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Nice, nice.....so let's turn it to grass. Serena vs Henin..Roger vs Nadal..even there Nadal has better chance of beating Federer than Henin has of beating Serena. So it ain't just surface.
This isnt a thread about grass. Henin is a bit of a grass mug, and Nadal on grass >>>>>> Henin on grass (actually that is true on clay as well, but the Federer and Serena gap is alot larger still).
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I would pick Justine to win over Serena 100%. Given that Serena's mega weapon her serve is neutralized, Justine has more weapons to hurt Serena in a rally on clay. She has variety and much better defensive skills

The bigger problem Roger has when facing Nadal (apart from his backhand) is his inconsistency, he starts pretty well but then commits many unforced errors.
A peak Roger, though, would have minimum unforced errors and given that he is a much better offensive player the game would be close, as their first RG or Rome encounters were. Remember Roger even had matchpoints against Nadal in Rome on red clay so he could take a match against Nadal in RG if he played flawless tennis
If Roger Federer of 2006-2007 isn't Peak Federer what is?

Well it seem you are so willing to take such a risk with your life.
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This isnt a thread about grass. Henin is a bit of a grass mug, and Nadal on grass >>>>>> Henin on grass (actually that is true on clay as well, but the Federer and Serena gap is alot larger still).
You got it right...Henin is a bigger grass mug than Serena's a clay-mug..yet you ain't seeing nobody making threads about Juju's mugness on grass.
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You got it right...Henin is a bigger grass mug than Serena's a clay-mug..yet you ain't seeing nobody making threads about Juju's mugness on grass.
Your opinion. 2 finals and 2 semifinals in Wimbledon for me isn't worse than a sole fluke title facing your sister and not a single semifinal since 2003 in numerous attempts

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ROTFL so the fact Serena only managed to play Henin ONCE on clay from after the 2003 French until Justine's retirement in May 2008 is due to Henin's retiring. Serena had 5 years of opportunities to play prime Henin on clay and failed consistently to get far enough, usually anywhere near far enough, to do so. Heck one could say Serena all but tanked the clay season until Henin retired as she knew she couldnt challenge prime Henin on clay at all.

As for not taking the competition Henin had won 7 slams in the previous 5 years before her retirement. That is over double the next most which would be Serena and Sharapova who each won 3 from the time of Justine's first slam to her retirement. She had won 4 of the previous 5 French Opens. Yeah she must have retired since she couldnt take the competition, especialy on clay where the likes of Serena, and the next 4 French winners Ivanovic, Schiavone, Na, and Kuznetsova, were just too scary. Like most of your so called arguments your logic is warped from another planet.
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Re: Bigger gap on clay- Serena vs Henin or Federer vs Nadal

nadal vs federer on clay is like usain bolt vs a random 55 year old man in a 100 meter sprint......
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Re: Bigger gap on clay- Serena vs Henin or Federer vs Nadal

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Whatever. Serena won 4 slams in a row. She won the French Open on her own terms beating the best players of the day on clay.

Federer didn't win his French Open on his own terms. Nadal was injured and out. He has won every single French Open before and after.

If Justine won French Open 2001 and 2003 and she was injured and lost in the 1r of 2002 then I would agree.

But she didn't. Capriati was the defending champion and Australian Open champion. Serena beat her. Serena also beat Venus.

That's better competition than Federer who had who? Soderling. Oh yeah, that's right.

Basically, if Nadal wasn't injured that year will Federer have the career slam? It's a question mark.

But that question mark doesn't exist for Serena because everyone knows Serena was untouchable on any surface during Serena Slam.

But Federer never had that Serena Slam moment. Did he?
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federer cannot beat nadal because of match up issue.. but like it has been said before - rank all time great claycourters and you will see a lot of players in between henin and serena more than players between nadal and federer

federer is a consistently good claycourter who cannot beat just one player who happens to be possibly the greatest player to ever play on clay...Serena lost to a bunch of nobodies again and again on clay

if i am correct since 2005 ... only 2 players have been able to beat federer on roland garros.THAT is an insane record and proves that federer is an all time great on clay who is just so unfortunate to face someone who is an even greater claycourter

AND LOL are you bringing h2h... which is so disjointed against federer because he reached that many finals to begin with! serena has not reached a french open final since she won it... GET REAL!!!!

keep it simple. in his generation,federer is INDUBITABLY 2ND GREATEST CLAYCOURTER while nadull is GREATEST CLAYCOURTER. can we say the same for serena, is she the 2ND GREATEST CLAYCOURTER to henin's GREATEST? no i don't think so!!! so case closed!!!! OVER! use your brain!
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Your opinion. 2 finals and 2 semifinals in Wimbledon for me isn't worse than a sole fluke title facing your sister and not a single semifinal since 2003 in numerous attempts
That wasn't the question. who's likelier to win: Juju vs Serena on grass...or Nadal vs Federer on grass?
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That wasn't the question. who's likelier to win: Juju vs Serena on grass...or Nadal vs Federer on grass?
why don't you make your own thread for that if you want to keep discussing it

i think title of thread is clear bigger gap on CLAY
why keep bringing up grass

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