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Old Dec 31st, 2013, 11:38 AM   #1
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Old Dec 31st, 2013, 11:38 AM   #2
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Re: The 2014 Win/Loss Quality Race

Erklärung:

Aus Jux und Dollerei mal eine Variation des berühmt-berüchtigten WTA-Races.

- Für einen Sieg bekommt eine Spielerin einen Basiswert von 100 Punkten sowie 1-150 Punkte, je nach Ranking der Gegnerin.
- Für eine Niederlage verliert eine Spielerin einen Basiswert von 100 Punkten sowie 1-150 Punkte, je nach Ranking der Gegnerin.
- Das Ranking ist bei 150 gedeckelt, sowohl bei Siegen als auch bei Niederlagen. Es macht keinen Unterschied, ob man gegen die Nr. 150 oder die Nr.1500 spielt.
- Es zählen alle Turniere, die die WTA auf ihrer Homepage zählt, also WTA, ITF & Fed Cup
- Die Punkte berechnen sich einzig und allein aus dem Ranking der Gegnerin. Ein Sieg gegen die Nr.1 der Welt in der 1. Runde von Nürnberg ist mehr wert als ein gewonnenes Wimbledon-Finale gegen die Nr. 7 der Welt.
- Ich übernehme keinerlei Garantie, dass irgendetwas von dem, was ich hier poste, stimmt.
- Es wird pro Woche abgerechnet, dabei zählt die Turnierwoche.
- Woche 0 bezeichnet die Zeit zwischen Ende der letzten WTA-Saison und dem offiziellen Beginn der neuen Saison (Woche 1 ist also die gerade laufende Woche)
- Aktueller Stand wird in Post 1 (eins weiter oben) reineditiert sowie als Reply gepostet.




Beispiele in der aktuell laufenden Woche:

Andrea Petkovic

Sieg gegen Mattek-Sands (#48), Niederlage gegen S. Williams (#1)

100 Siegpunkte + 103 Rankingpunkte = +203 Punkte
100 Niederlagenpunkte - 1 Rankingpunkt = -101 Punkte

Gesamt: 203-101 = 102

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Mona Barthel

Niederlage gegen Meusburger (#49)

100 Niederlagenpunkte - 49 Rankingpunkte = -149 Punkte

Gesamt: -149

Edit: "Individuelle Wertung" gestrichen.

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Old Dec 31st, 2013, 11:39 AM   #3
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Old Dec 31st, 2013, 01:29 PM   #4
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Re: The 2014 Win/Loss Quality Race

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Also -150 Punkte, wenn man gegen die Nummer 150 oder schlechter verliert und +1 Punkt, wenn ich gegen die Nummer 150 oder schlechter gewinne.

Heißt also für Witthöft aus den beiden Turnieren von 2013

Niederlage gegen Borecka (377) = -250 Punkte (100 für die Niederlage und 150 wegen der Gegnerin)
Sieg gegen Van Uytvanck (112) = +139 Punkte (100 für den Sieg und 39 wegen der Gegnerin)
Niederlage gegen Hesse (268) = -250 Punkte (Verteilung wie gegen Borecka)

macht dann zusammen -369 Punkte
139-250-250 sind -361

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Bei Pfizenmaier scheint mir aber noch das Ergebnis aus dem ITF Taipei 2 zu fehlen
Mein Fehler in der Überschrift, Taipei 2 zählte noch zur Saison 2013. Kommt davon wenn ein paar Monate zwischen Erstellen der Excel-Datei und dem Posten liegen. Nanjing ist davon auch betroffen, ich ändere es.
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Edit: "Individuelle Wertung" gestrichen.

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Re: The 2014 Win/Loss Quality Race

Der individuelle Score (dunkel) von Friedsam zeigt, wie gut ihre Woche war. Sie spielt aktuell klar über dem Niveau ihres aktuellen Rankings, während bei Kerber der "Fluch der guten Tat" zuschlägt, obwohl sie absolut gesehen eine gute Woche hatte spielt sie eben auch einfach nur in etwa so, wie man das bei ihrem Ranking erwarten kann.
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Re: The 2014 Win/Loss Quality Race

So jetzt bekommt Kerber also 200+ Punkte abgezogen, weil Pironkova jenseits der 100 steht Richtig ?
dabei war das aber das Finale und die hat eigentlich Top 20 Niveau gespielt.
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Eigentlich war die gar nicht mal weit von Top10 Niveau weg, aber das kann man ja immer sagen.
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Super Woche für Kerber und Witthöft. Bei der absoluten Betrachtung (hell) Kerber jetzt schon mit einem großen Vorsprung durch 4 Top 40-Siege. Individuell betrachtet (dunkel) relativiert sich das ganze aber dadurch, dass eben alle 4 unter ihr gerankt waren. Hier glänzt stattdessen Witthöft, die 3 Siege gegen Spielerinnen vor ihr im Ranking hatte.

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So jetzt bekommt Kerber also 200+ Punkte abgezogen, weil Pironkova jenseits der 100 steht Richtig ?
dabei war das aber das Finale und die hat eigentlich Top 20 Niveau gespielt.
Genau. Wirkt sich aber nicht so stark aus, weil sie eben davor 4 Matches gegen gute Gegnerinnen gewonnen hat um ins Finale zu kommen.
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Angie dominiert. Krass wie weit sie nach 3 Wochen vor dem Rest steht, vor allem in der absoluten Betrachtung.
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Geniale Idee, aber ich hätte noch eine Amerkung/ Verbesserungsvorschlag:

Wenn es jetzt für einen Sieg gegen die #50 100+100 Punkte gibt, und für einen Sieg gegen Williams 100+150 Punkte, dann stimmen für mich die Relationen nicht. Könnte man nicht jeweils einen Bonus für Top5/Top10/Top20-Sieg addieren, oder die Punkteverteilung so anpassen, dass höhere Siege stärker belohnt werden?

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Re: The 2014 Win/Loss Quality Race

Das ginge schon, aber ich weiß nicht so genau, wie es denn richtig wäre. Wenn man einen Bonus für die Top 10 nimmt ist dann ein Sieg gegen die Nr.10 plötzlich deutlich mehr wert als gegen die Nr.11.

Was evtl. ginge wäre wenn man statt des Rankings die Rankingpunkte der Gegnerin nimmt (das würde auch das "Serena-Problem" lösen, also das es eine Spielerin gibt, die weit vor dem Rest steht.

100 * (Rankingpunkte der Gegnerin / Eigene Rankingpunkte) wäre so eine Idee.

Müsste man aber auch irgendwie limitieren, sonst bekäme z.B. Julia für diese Woche >400 Punkte und Angie kaum 40. Andererseits spiegelt es natürlich auch ein Stück weit die Tour wieder. Mhm.

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