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Old Sep 27th, 2011, 10:36 PM   #16
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

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Anyhow, the competition for no.1 will probably get more interesting next season.
The competition is on right now!

Caroline's 1030 point lead in the WTA race is misleading. Beijing and Istanbul are mandatory and must be included in the best 16. Therefore, right now we should look at their best 14 results this season. After R2 in Tokyo Caroline's lead is just 595 points. Caroline must reach SF this week to increase her total, whereas every round counts for Maria!

Caroline:

AO - 900
FO - 160
W - 280
USO - 900

IW - 1000
Miami - 140
Madrid - 140
Beij - ?
YEC - ?

Dubai - 900
Charl - 470
Brus - 470
NH - 470
Rome -395
Doha - 320
Stut - 320

Total = 6865

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Maria:

AO - 280
FO - 900
W - 1400
USO - 160

IW - 450
Miami - 700
Madrid - 140
Beij - ?
YEC - ?

Rome - 900
Cin - 900
Tokyo - 125
Toron - 125
Stan - 120
Auck - 70

Total = 6270

If both win tomorrow the gap will be 495 points, if both reach SF the gap will be 400 points!
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Old Sep 27th, 2011, 10:45 PM   #17
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

It will probably come down to Turkey.
And next year, Maria has much less to defend before Miami
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Old Sep 28th, 2011, 10:55 AM   #18
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

Great tennis by Kaia and Caroline is on her way to Beijing :cry:

The best 14 gap between Caroline and Maria is now just 495 points, if Maria wins Tokyo she will take the lead in the race for YE#1!
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

To be honest, I´m kind of hoping for a great performance by Maria now just to get this over with. I think she needs to lose the ranking both as a warning sign and to get some pressure off.

And if that doesn't help...well then we´re out of options I´m afraid.
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To be honest, I´m kind of hoping for a great performance by Maria now just to get this over with. I think she needs to lose the ranking both as a warning sign and to get some pressure off.
Me too! Maria can take this # 1 ranking! And Caro has hard work to do in the off season, improving her serve and that messy forehand, hopefully with new coach!
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Old Sep 28th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #21
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

Caroline was #1 every week but 1 in 2011.
I'd like to see her finish YE #1. Those are hard to do, you dont give them up because there's pressure.
People expect her to play well. That pressure will be there even if she loses #1
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

Ithink Vika and Vera Z. also are in the Race for YE#1.


Caro on No. 2-3 spot won't give her much less pressure... so just try stay on No. 1! But now it all in Sharapova's hands...
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

It will probably come down to the YEC

Sharapova needs to reach final at #WTATokyo AND win Beijing to have a CHANCE at returning to #WTA No.1 the week after
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Ithink Vika and Vera Z. also are in the Race for YE#1.


Caro on No. 2-3 spot won't give her much less pressure... so just try stay on No. 1! But now it all in Sharapova's hands...

Vera has a final to defend in Beijing and a SF in YEC (with 3 RR wins). Almost 1400 points. So, no, I don't think she is an immediate threat. If a threat at all, compared to Maria and Vika.
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To be honest, I´m kind of hoping for a great performance by Maria now just to get this over with. I think she needs to lose the ranking both as a warning sign and to get some pressure off.

And if that doesn't help...well then we´re out of options I´m afraid.
Dropping to #2 doesnt take the pressure off because if she has a good tournament or 2 she will get back to #1.

The only way to play without pressure is drop way back like Jankovic did. But age 21 she should be looking to play big matches, not run from them.

Of course if she keeps losing to Vinci, Mchale & Kanepi, she wont play many big matches
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Caroline was #1 every week but 1 in 2011.
I'd like to see her finish YE #1. Those are hard to do, you dont give them up because there's pressure.
People expect her to play well. That pressure will be there even if she loses #1
Me too. No way do I want to see her lose that #1. Don't get me wrong - I don't want her #1 if she hasn't earned it with enough points. But getting to #1 and staying at #1 is not at all easy as some would make out. If you are #1 - you have to have played well and to keep it you have to keep playing well. Nothing over 12 months ago counts for anything in the rankings. So you really need to win titles and keep winning. If she loses #1 - it will be deserved and mean she's not playing as well. And I don't want that. I don't want to come back from work and see she's lost in round 2 like today. I want to see her winning titles like she did to be #1.
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Old Sep 28th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #27
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Re: Rivals for the number one spot

A battle for YE #1 between Caro & Maria is probably very good for the WTA.
But its even better if they both are playing well.
So hopefully they both get into the YEC semis, which wont be easy.
Caroline has to play well to make this a memorable race.
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Me too. No way do I want to see her lose that #1. Don't get me wrong - I don't want her #1 if she hasn't earned it with enough points. But getting to #1 and staying at #1 is not at all easy as some would make out. If you are #1 - you have to have played well and to keep it you have to keep playing well. Nothing over 12 months ago counts for anything in the rankings. So you really need to win titles and keep winning. If she loses #1 - it will be deserved and mean she's not playing as well. And I don't want that. I don't want to come back from work and see she's lost in round 2 like today. I want to see her winning titles like she did to be #1.
I can meet you halfway. I want to see Caroline winning titles too but I find it hard to get excited about her winning Charleston by defeating Elena Vesnina in the final, winning Copenhagen defeating Lucie Safarova in the final and winning New Haven defeating Petra Cetkovska in the final. She seems stuck halfway between winning mid tier titles and winning premier 5's, mandatories and majors. Last summer/fall and into this year she seemed to be making great strides and started winning some big titles but since Indian Wells she has dropped back down to winning the smaller events and, with a couple of exceptions (Rome and the US Open) she has not been competing for the bigger titles. I might be the only one but I don't care about her winning those smaller events anymore. They were a great stepping stone but her focus should now be on the bigger events. She's got to up her game and start beating top five players on a consistent basis. The fact that she is currently not good enough to even get deep enough into tournaments to play top five players is disappointing. I really want to see her playing the best players because I believe that will force her to become a better player.
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I can meet you halfway. I want to see Caroline winning titles too but I find it hard to get excited about her winning Charleston by defeating Elena Vesnina in the final, winning Copenhagen defeating Lucie Safarova in the final and winning New Haven defeating Petra Cetkovska in the final. She seems stuck halfway between winning mid tier titles and winning premier 5's, mandatories and majors. Last summer/fall and into this year she seemed to be making great strides and started winning some big titles but since Indian Wells she has dropped back down to winning the smaller events and, with a couple of exceptions (Rome and the US Open) she has not been competing for the bigger titles. I might be the only one but I don't care about her winning those smaller events anymore. They were a great stepping stone but her focus should now be on the bigger events. She's got to up her game and start beating top five players on a consistent basis. The fact that she is currently not good enough to even get deep enough into tournaments to play top five players is disappointing. I really want to see her playing the best players because I believe that will force her to become a better player.
Why meet only halfway? Just winning the smaller events won't give her enough points to keep #1. Where did I say I wnated her to just win the smaller events? My post was in the context of someone wanting Maria to play well to get the #1 ranking to "take the pressure off". I don't want that and at the start of Tokyo - there were only 3 events left this year for Caro to play - and all of them are big events. Now there are two.
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Why meet only halfway? Just winning the smaller events won't give her enough points to keep #1. Where did I say I wnated her to just win the smaller events? My post was in the context of someone wanting Maria to play well to get the #1 ranking to "take the pressure off". I don't want that and at the start of Tokyo - there were only 3 events left this year for Caro to play - and all of them are big events. Now there are two.
Where did I say that you said you wanted her to just win the smaller events?

For me Indian Wells seems like it was a long time ago. I just want to see her competing at the "big" events again. Yes, she made the semis at the US Open but otherwise she has been very much off of late.
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