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Old Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:42 PM   #1
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SERENA: Seeding NOT That Special at USO'11 - (Update: All 32 Seeds)

So much discussion in the Press, at the end, the USO was not impressed and did not budge


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3-time champ Serena Williams 28th seed at US Open




The Associated Press
Published: Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2011 - 9:09 am

NEW YORK --

Serena Williams has been seeded 28th for the U.S. Open, which is sticking with its policy of following the rankings instead of taking into account players' past performances.

Williams leads active women with 13 Grand Slam titles, including three at Flushing Meadows. She recently won consecutive hard-court tuneup tournaments at Stanford and Toronto.


A former No. 1, the American is ranked 29th this week. That's up from 175th in July, a few weeks after she returned to the tour following nearly a year off because of a series of health problems.


Top-ranked Caroline Wozniacki is seeded No. 1, followed by Vera Zvonareva. Two-time reigning U.S. Open champion Kim Clijsters, who is ranked No. 3, will miss the tournament with a stomach muscle injury.






Source: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/23/385...iams-28th.html



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2011 US Open Women’s Singles Seeds






1. Caroline Wozniacki, Denmark
2. Vera Zvonareva, Russia
3. Maria Sharapova, Russia
4. Victoria Azarenka, Belarus



5. Petra Kvitova, Czech Republic
6. Na Li, China

7. Francesca Schiavone, Italy
8. Marion Bartoli, France

9. Samantha Stosur, Australia
10. Andrea Petkovic, Germany
11. Jelena Jankovic, Serbia
12. Agnieszka Radwanska, Poland
13. Shuai Peng, China
14. Dominika Cibulkova, Slovakia
15. Svetlana Kuznetsova, Russia
16. Ana Ivanovic, Serbia

17. Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova, Russia
18. Roberta Vinci, Italy
19. Julia Goerges, Germany
20. Yanina Wickmayer, Belgium
21. Daniela Hantuchova, Slovakia
22. Sabine Lisicki, Germany
23. Shahar Peer, Israel
24. Nadia Petrova, Russia

25. Maria Kirilenko, Russia
26. Flavia Pennetta, Italy
27. Lucie Safarova, Czech Republic
28. Serena Williams, United States
29. Jarmila Gajdosova, Australia
30. Anabel Medina Garrigues, Spain
31. Kaia Kanepi, Estonia
32. Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez, Spain
Source: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/art...119095999.html
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Old Aug 23rd, 2011, 04:44 PM   #2
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Re: SERENA: Seeding NOT That Special at USO'11

USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2


So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.
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Re: SERENA: Seeding NOT That Special at USO'11

When did Serena say that? Or is this one of your own statements again?
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Re: SERENA: Seeding NOT That Special at USO'11

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USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2


So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.
Yes, but Serena has defied conventional wisdom before.

Do you have similar stats for AO(Serena) and Wimbledon(Venus)?
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Re: SERENA: Seeding NOT That Special at USO'11

she's got a seeding, so she avoids a seed for the first 2 rounds. then she'll beat whichever top 8 seed she plays and take their spot. big whoop.
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I hope it makes her good and angry!

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USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2


So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.
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USO finalist seedings from 2000-2010

2010: 2 def 7

2009: WC def 9

2008: 4 def 2

2007: 1 def 4

2006: 3 def 2

2005: 4 def 12

2004: 9 def 6

2003: 2 def 1

2002: 1 def 2

2001: 4 def 10

2000: 3 def 2


So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.
You think this applies to Serena??

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Yes, but Serena has defied conventional wisdom before.

Do you have similar stats for AO(Serena) and Wimbledon(Venus)?
Those tournaments don't matter. Besides, Serena never said the seeding didn't matter at them.

But, if you look closely, they do matter, It's all there in Red and Blue and Green and Dark Grey and Orange and Pink and I'm a bit colour blind, is that Purple?
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So the chances of a player seeded outside the top 10 winning is REMOTE.
Remote is an apt word for Caroline Wozniacki winning this year's US Open. While there is no guarentee that Serena will win I should say her odds are better than remote.
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Re: SERENA: Seeding NOT That Special at USO'11 - Seeded 28

Serena is the favourite... thats all anyone needs to know.

Other people's past rankings will not affect Serena's performance at the USO.
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Remote is an apt word for Caroline Wozniacki winning this year's US Open. While there is no guarentee that Serena will win I should say her odds are better than remote.
Ah come on, don't turn it into a Wozniacki bash-fest. I must be one of those rare souls, who's not a fanboy wishing her to do well.

Serena? Yep, for me, she's one of the favourites. I'm just posting the stats (they like stats on here)
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Those tournaments don't matter. Besides, Serena never said the seeding didn't matter at them.

But, if you look closely, they do matter, It's all there in Red and Blue and Green and Dark Grey and Orange and Pink and I'm a bit colour blind, is that Purple?
I was not arguing that seeding did not matter.

All I am saying is because they do matter so much, Serena takes stock of that and does the extra work to overcome the adverse effect of the unfavorable seedings.
I think we can agree on that.

Asking for similar stats was not intended to challenge your numbers, but to confirm them and put them against Serena or Venus respective performances at those tournaments when they were seeded outside of the top 10.



At macro level the seeding matter, and that is clearly what you data shows.
At micro level, however, it depend on each players, and that is where my focus is.
The only credible way to measure that is to compare the individual performance in other tournament when seeded outside of 10.
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