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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #526
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Re: Ana Ivanovic's Dramatic Weight Loss: Any One Concerned... Yet??

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she is too skinny...and yes you have to compare it to other periods where she wasn't looking like the strongest wind would blow her over...she looks pale, can't go for a few weeks without some injury or another, can't sustain her physical form over a whole week for a tournament, weight of shot isn't nearly as potent on a consistent level...

she's not a model, she's an athlete...she wasn't naturally skinny and any weight she attempted to lose to gain speed hasn't worked cause she's no faster on court, yet she's still dropping weight
Oh Lord...

First of all, what does it even mean naturally skinny?
It's a fictitious notion.
If I showed you a pic of a skinny person, without knowing how this person looked before, you wouldn't be able to tell if this person is naturally skinny or UNnaturally skinny as supposedly Ana is.
Because you would have to have the BEFORE pics to be able to tell.
So what are we even talking about?

Ana is fitter than both Kvitova and Jelena, and a few other players. Could she be fitter? Yeah, she could. Could she be stronger? Yeah she could. Is eating the way to go? Not so sure.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #527
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Oh Lord...

First of all, what does it even mean naturally skinny?
It's a fictitious notion.
If I showed you a pic of a skinny person, without knowing how this person looked before, you wouldn't be able to tell if this person is naturally skinny or UNnaturally skinny as supposedly Ana is.
Because you would have to have the BEFORE pics to be able to tell.
So what are we even talking about?

Ana is fitter than both Kvitova and Jelena, and a few other players. Could she be fitter? Yeah, she could. Could she be stronger? Yeah she could. Is eating the way to go? Not so sure.
Jelena ? As Jelena Dokic, RIGHT ?

And sorry but it looks obvious for Ana. Her face is pale, it looks weird. Lollipop figure tbh.
But nevermind. Looks are not important.

It's her fitness, the colours of her face, her health, if she is getting injured more often that before that matter.
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Old Nov 4th, 2012, 01:10 PM   #528
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Yes, exept the matter of dispute in this thread is whether Ana is too skinny, not whether she is skinny compared to another period. That's the whole point.
But you have to compare to where she comes from to say if she is too skinny.

I think if she were to add muscle to this frame, she'd be fine. She's simply not strong enough to sustain herself in matches.

Neither extreme is okay, and 2005-2006, you can tell that she had baby fat and a little something extra.



2008 is kind of a midway point.



And this is the other extreme.

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Jelena ? As Jelena Dokic, RIGHT ?

And sorry but it looks obvious for Ana. Her face is pale, it looks weird. Lollipop figure tbh.
But nevermind. Looks are not important.

It's her fitness, the colours of her face, her health, if she is getting injured more often that before that matter.
No, as in Jelena Jankovic.
And remember, fitness isn't only about the looks.

About injuries - plenty of possible other causes for that. Wrong training regime...not enough playing/training.
The same about her shots. Her forhand was way flatter before. Now it's much spinnier, it's trajectory is different, it's fluffier, not as deep. And thus, it looks weaker. But I am not at all sure that it's because she is weak. Also, she has been known to pull on her fh when she is hesitant. And when she does, it's not the same shot.
She has been tinkering with her forhand since Nigel started coaching her.
Plenty, plenty other explanations.
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Re: Ana Ivanovic's Dramatic Weight Loss: Any One Concerned... Yet??

Ana looks very good.
Even for Vogue or Hollywood standards.

Only reason why I agree that she needs to gain some weight is fact that hers current body type much more suits to movement than power - and powerful game is best formula for Ana.
But calling hers current look unhealthy is simple wrong, because if she not pro athlete, hers current look will be just perfect for 185cm tall women.
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No, as in Jelena Jankovic.
And remember, fitness isn't only about the looks.

About injuries - plenty of possible other causes for that. Wrong training regime...not enough playing/training.
The same about her shots. Her forhand was way flatter before. Now it's much spinnier, it's trajectory is different, it's fluffier, not as deep. And thus, it looks weaker. But I am not at all sure that it's because she is weak. Also, she has been known to pull on her fh when she is hesitant. And when she does, it's not the same shot.
She has been tinkering with her forhand since Nigel started coaching her.
Plenty, plenty other explanations.
Jelena's body doesn't shock me at all. It's normal.
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Ana looks very good.
Even for Vogue or Hollywood standards.

Only reason why I agree that she needs to gain some weight is fact that hers current body type much more suits to movement than power - and powerful game is best formula for Ana. But calling hers current look unhealthy is simple wrong, because if she not pro athlete, hers current look will be just perfect for 185cm tall women.
Precisely.
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Ana looks very good.
Even for Vogue or Hollywood standards.

Only reason why I agree that she needs to gain some weight is fact that hers current body type much more suits to movement than power - and powerful game is best formula for Ana. But calling hers current look unhealthy is simple wrong, because if she not pro athlete, hers current look will be just perfect for 185cm tall women.
...Not really. I would be concerned, pro athlete or not.
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Jelena's body doesn't shock me at all. It's normal.
Aaaaaaaand we come back to the looks.

And since we are talking about looks, Ana's body doesn't shock me either. On the contrary
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Oh Lord...

First of all, what does it even mean naturally skinny?
It's a fictitious notion.

If I showed you a pic of a skinny person, without knowing how this person looked before, you wouldn't be able to tell if this person is naturally skinny or UNnaturally skinny as supposedly Ana is.
Because you would have to have the BEFORE pics to be able to tell.
So what are we even talking about?

Ana is fitter than both Kvitova and Jelena, and a few other players. Could she be fitter? Yeah, she could. Could she be stronger? Yeah she could. Is eating the way to go? Not so sure.
it's not a fictitious notion (i assume you've never heard of genetics so this is my last reply to your idiocy)

ana is NOT fitter than kvitova or jelena at the moment being skin and bones does NOT equal being fit or else you'll next tell me she is fitter than serena williams ana can't even last a whole match at times without her form dropping drastically in the 2nd or 3rd set and then she picks up an injury...she's gone way past the point of healthy weight loss for an ATHLETE if she can't even last long in the sport she's supposed to play...

her elbows are jutting out, her pelvic bones show through her dresses, her clavicle is a soup bowl, she's pale and her face looks gaunt...and most importantly, she has lost a lot of physical endurance and weight of shot...

as i said...wait until she drops down on court to offer her a sandwich
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...Not really. I would be concerned, pro athlete or not.
+1

I actually think models are too thin.

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Aaaaaaaand we come back to the looks.

And since we are talking about looks, Ana's body doesn't shock me either. On the contrary
WTF ? I was not talking about looks but about Jankovic's body so her muscles. There's no drastic loss or gain in weight, she still has some muscles. Her problem is not her weight or something, but she is a headcase who has 0 confidence at all. Don't compare Ana's problems to Jelena's.
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I actually think models are too thin.



WTF ? I was not talking about looks but about Jankovic's body so her muscles. There's no drastic loss or gain in weight, she still has some muscles. Her problem is not her weight or something, but she is a headcase who has 0 confidence at all. Don't compare Ana's problems to Jelena's.
Are you kidding me? You are only proving all you are discussing is looks. You are confusing muscle mass with fat, looks with fitness. JJ cannot play a long match without getting completely exhausted at all. Did you watch JJ's recent matches? How long can she sustain high level of her game?
Just beacuse she looks rather the same as she used to doesn't meant she is as fit.
And if you really think that her problem is ONLY mental, especially NOW, after this disasterous year, than you are even more delusional than those delusional Ana fans you were mocking.
Confidence issues she might have, but now there are others as well.

The same for Ana.
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:/ This is lame, even for your standards, Spammo. What's your definition of skinny/chubby/fat then?
I totally agree with Defying Gravity. She looks skinny (but toned on these late 2010/2011 pictures)
Shut up Devil, I said she wasn't skinny at all in early 2011 and I mantain it, some people just call anything remotely thin anorexic
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I still say that early 2011 was the best body Ivanovic ever had







Some people just need to get over the fact that there's nothing wrong with being thin and healthy.

She does look worrying now though.
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Re: Ana Ivanovic's Dramatic Weight Loss: Any One Concerned... Yet??

I'm not disagreeing with you Sammo. Thin/skinny and healthy is great.

The difference is, again, the loss of muscle. I quite liked how Ana performed at Indian Wells in 2011. She had big shots and GREAT movement put together. If she could have sustained that, she would be performing so much better right now.
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