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Old Nov 12th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #1531
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Struggling to clarify exactly what people are discussing, beyond the "Petra's team is still not making good decisions" bit, which comes across clearly. What is wrong with Cernosek? Who is Cernosek? I presume he's a very rich Czech person, maybe a bit like Rupert Murdoch? Maybe disliked by many in a similar way? It seems that he is involved in Petra's team decisions and people are concerned that he is actually the one making all the decisions. Do people think that this might result in Petra not getting the ideal fitness/conditioning person for her, because the job would go to someone with connections to Cernosek instead? And why do people not want Petra to play extraliga? I had heard that it was common for pros to play a bit of extraliga, and it only lasts about one week right, unlike the regular interclub? My impression of European interclub was that it was very strong and a lot of pros play in France, Germany, Czech rep, but do people think that players as highly ranked as Petra usually do not play? Does Berdych play Czech interclub? I've never followed extraliga but I've heard of it.
Hey Howard.

Paulmara did a good job capsulizing it. I'll try to give you a little more, with out rambling to long (though I'm sure I will).

Yes, we all know Petra's team has not been making good decisions. And many of us feel that Černošek is at the heart of it.

He's Petra's Manager. But he also runs the Prostojev facility where Petra trains. And he's also involved (as Paulmara noted) in many sports operations, including the Prague 100K, Fed Cup and of course Czech Extraliga.

The reason why people are going nuts about Extraliga: Last year (if you remember) Petra injured her Achilles playing Lucie H. And Petra's team used that as an excuse and a crutch the first half of the year. Remember, Petra skipped Doha to rest her Achilles!? And (unless I'm mistaken), it was during that time she contacted a virus during a Czech blizzard/cold spell, while recuperating her Achilles at home in the freezing Czech Republic, instead of a warm weather climate--which we went nuts about. Needless to say, she missed Dubai as well (though Kotyza claimed they may have sat her out anyway to rest her Achilles) due to the virus.

Petra's coach also explained, that Kvitty couldn't get the proper training and conditioning through out the first half of 2012, cause her Achilles Injury aborted her Pre-2012 training, and it thus had a domino effect throughout the year (they also used this as an excuse for her performance at the 2012 Oz Open in January).

These injuries and ailments (stemming from the Achilles), carried Petra right into Indian Wells, where she was either too weak to finish against McHale, or the weak, recovering Petra caught that infamous stomach virus (as was reported) which just compounded the issue.

So that's why (as Paulmara noted) Extraliga annoys so many. The reality is, Petra could of played it last year. Sure. No biggie. The REAL problem was, Petra played it so hard and took it so seriously (it was a tough match against Lucie H--who was in better playing shape than Petra at the time), she lost and hurt herself.

Playing Extraglia, was part of Petra's training/getting back in tow (as you mentioned/asked). However, neither Petra or her coaches realized it wasn't a Death Match to play at all cost. It was only Pre Pre Pre season preparation for 2012. Petra was barely playing tennis at the time of the match and subsequent injury. Too much pride and competitiveness--too soon,I guess. And just dumb!! Now she's playing in the final again. Will Petra take it so seriously this time (and feel the pressure to deliver in this seemingly innocuous--to us, but PETRA/CZECH PRIDE final)? Or will she see it for exactly what it is: A Pre Pre season warm up--to the REAL SEASON, and nothing more? Stay tuned.

From what I understand, Černošek is not rich like a Rupert Murdoch. That's another guy Petronius can tell you about. But from what we know/hear, THAT GUY is a crony of Černošek, and is a sponsor of Prostojev and other events as well.

And yes, you said it. We fear that Černošek is too tied into his own Band Of Old Men Czech Network to properly find Petra a world class anything that doesn't come from his network. Correct.

Yes, we fear he's the one making all the decisions (he pretty much says or hints it during his interviews--the guys is so arrogant), not Kotyza, Petra or any senior independent tennis advisers. Keep in mind, Kotyza (cause he's an old Czech, affiliated with the Fed Cup team) was probably hand picked by Černošek anyway. And we just found out that "Sidney" is Petra's agent; another Czech Old Man, who appears to be friendly with Černošek--of course.

To summarize your question: Over the past year, we've all complained (as you know) about numerous things about Petra's team management of her health, schedule, career, game strategy and coaches, specialist and advisers. The main complaint was, it's run like a mom and pop shop, unlike a top tier, world class player and Wimbledon Champ, who's still young and should have the best (or at least competent people around her).

At first we blamed Kotyza (and rightfully so for many things). He should be the one in charge, along with Petra making tennis related decisions. But after hearing some of these Černošek interviews, he made it seem clear, that he's the one that hand picks (which is what many of us expected--we just bit our tongues with out "smoking gun" evidence), the people that Petra and Kotyza actually choose from.

If you remember, Petra only had a part time hitting partner in ADAM--her boyfriend last year. And this year, she's had none. However when Petra prepared for the YEC, she marveled at how much better it was hitting with men. The cruel irony was (besides her not having one all year as a top player), she was actually hitting with Prostojev (Černošek facility) teen, amateur boys when she said it. Why? SMH.

Lastly, we always heard from Broadcasters that Petra stays to herself and doesn't really fraternize much with the other players. And we've also heard Martina Nav's complain on air, that Petra doesn't contact her, though she encourages it. Well, we basically figured out (especially after Martina wasn't initially invited to the Fed Cup, cause she's not down with the current Posse in power--connected with Černošek)/know why Petra doesn't speak to Martina or anyone else really?....Černošek, apparently has her on lock down (along with Petra's passive, casual personality aiding and abetting). I'm sure QPF, Paulmara, and maybe even Petronius, can speak and elaborate more on that.

And the list really goes on and on Howard (Prostojev is mostly and indoor facility--with only one--recent outdoor hard court; living in cold weather Czech Republic to practice at Prostejev, etc.) Next time I'll just list them, since I gave the lengthy back ground here, as I was trying to be fair) .

So just look at it as another overbearing, incompetent tennis father story. Except this time, just exchange the bad, controlling overbearing Piotr like father, with Petra's manager (and his associated self serving economic, sports and political interest).

Normally I (and I'm sure many other here) couldn't care less who a players management is (good or bad), as long as their winning and the players team is making the right decisions. That's the honest truth (though some of us wondered about Černošek and his Czech ties, when we first heard or him).

Unfortunately, not only does he have clear conflicts of interest, while politely bragging about it. But Petra's team continues to make bone head or perplexing decisions, while her play, demeanor, health, fitness, both professional and personal team-advisers and results continue to suffer (or she has none to speak of), as a result. Better luck next year, I guess.

I hope that helped and explained it?

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Old Nov 12th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #1532
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Oh my gosh, after reading all your posts Im very dissapointed because is clear to me that Petra is weak and an idiot and doesnt have the pants to tell Cernosek to f*** himself and take her on decisions. My expectations for the next season are very low, she is surrounded with the wrong people, I think her 2011 success was the result of her amazing talent, too bad she isnt step in to control her own career!
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Oh my gosh, after reading all your posts Im very dissapointed because is clear to me that Petra is weak and an idiot and doesnt have the pants to tell Cernosek to f*** himself and take her on decisions. My expectations for the next season are very low, she is surrounded with the wrong people, I think her 2011 success was the result of her amazing talent, too bad she isnt step in to control her own career!
Let's hope for the best Steni.

And I agree with you. It was mostly Petra's talent that carried her in 2011, cause she had no burdens, played freely, and didn't feel any pressure.

Now people are better and they're coming after her, and the losses bring criticism, with out lowering any expectations or disappointment (by either by her, the press or her fans). She needs to adjust, adapt and improve.

Nonetheless, let's hope for the best (despite all you read). Maybe things can change? We sure hope.

And I'm not sure if you have access to the Tennis Channel? But if you do, guess what?: The first "TENNISOGRAPHY" (though they should have done Petra last year instead of Vika--unless they did Azarenka's before) this year, will be on Petra Kvitova, Dec 4th.

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Old Nov 12th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #1534
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Let's hope for the best Steni.

And I agree with you, it was Petra's talent that carried her in 2011, cause he had no burdens, played freely, and didn't have expectations.

Now people are better and they're coming after her, and the losses bring criticism, with out lowering the expectations.

Nonetheless, let's hope for the best (despite all you read). Maybe things can change? We sure hope.

And I'm not sure if you have access to the Tennis Channel? But if you do, guess what: The first Tennisography (though they should have done Petra last year instead of Vika--unless they did Azarenka's before) this year, will be on Petra Kvitova, Dec 4th.
Nice, thanks for the info, I was wondering about that interview.
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The more I read about this, the more I'm like because it's incredibly disturbing to me that someone with so much talent could be surrounded by so many people who are so focused on their own goals only.
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The more I read about this, the more I'm like because it's incredibly disturbing to me that someone with so much talent could be surrounded by so many people who are so focused on their own goals only.
Common sense says, sooner or later, this stuff may get out (or the Czech press will be tougher), and this guy--Cernosek is going alter his arrogance and what he says publicly.

However, it won't change the fact that Petra doesn't have access to the worlds best people; she and her coach are not the primary decision makers, and the fact he has multifaceted self serving concerns, which aren't always in Petra's best interest.

Why is it everyone has to be Czech (which is code for 'Cernosek's people')? Ni La won a French Open with a European coach. And Russian, Nadia Petrova is now doing great with a Spanish Coach. So have many others. What about Czech's in and out the country--even, not affiliated with Cernosek (if that's possible)?

I have no problem with Czech, Slovak or European personell considered first. It's national, regional or continental pride or covenience. I get it.

However, when a player lacks the basic essentials of world class team, she doesn't talk to an all time great player--that encourages it, and when someone is finally chosen--always seems to be connected to her manager-- while the players paying for it and suffering poor results on the court, while having other conflicts of interest to contend with--to boot--because of it/him.........

That's when I and other PEOPLE have a problem with it!
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I know that the Europeans will have no clue WTF we're talking about here,but it's gotta be different when you're a Bengals fan cuz you KNOW that Mike Brown is an assclown who's not gonna spend ANY money and,if by some miracle he DOES,he'll surely spend it foolishly...so you go into the season fully aware that you have practically ZERO shot at a SB and you don't get your hopes up....Similar story with the clown college MLB squads like the Mets who squander money on the worst,self-centered FA's that you could imagine,killing any hope of team chemistry...likewise with bottom-feeding barnacle Donald Sterling and his LA Clippers...

....But Petra actually has a reasonable shot at being a dominant player for years,so that's why we say to ourselves....if ONLY.....SOMEhow....by almost ANY means....she could hook up with the right people,we'd regularly see some awesome tennis from Petra

....Okay,the season's over,so I'm gonna take an NFL break for a few hours,folks....maybe even check out some Bears highlights with a Costa Rican chica on my lap
So did I.

But my teams sucked, and I didn't have a Costa Rican Chick on my lap either.
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Very interesting. The decision making process for a conditioning coach has begun.

It appears Cernosek has somebody in mind already. No surprise there.

Of course he would never DREAM of forcing his choice on poor little Petra and Coach Kotex.

He's going to attend the meeting, glare across the table at P and Coach K, intimidate them both, and Petra will end up with some nobody who reports directly to Cernosek.

Let's hope he at least knows his business.

This being accomplished, it appears Coach Huggybear will keep his job for at least another year.

I can't wait to see how 2013 pans out.
In all fairness (since I've been one of the Negative Nannies), I'm sure Cernosek may have some excellent developmental people--as he runs Prostojev--at his disposal. I'm sure he does. And he may even have access to some excellent top 100-30-ish type tennis people, being involved in Czech Extraliga, Prague 100K and even Fed and Davis Cup as well. Sure! So it's not like guy doesn't have access to anyone.

However (as many have noted), he may not have any absolute highest level people at his disposal for a Grand Slam winner/serious contender, top 10 player like Petra. That IS THE PROBLEM, of course. And no matter how hard he searches IN HIS NETWORK, he probably won't find them (unless he gets lucky with Kotyza and any additional choices in 2013).

It's an entirely different level of consistency, goals, pressure, level of play, disappointment, etc., Petra's facing. Even Berdych; sure He's a top 10 player. However, he doesn't have the expectations and weight of the world on his shoulders that Petra currently does, being a non-Grand Slam winner--expected to dominate like her. This is why all these lengthy delays and crony selections, are so ass backwards, when you have a world (literally) of talent to choose from in Tennis. Plus, he's not a coach or real tennis person. So how would he know, who works best with Petra's game and style (over she, her coaches and her tennis advisors--which she unfortunately doesn't have outside of him)? He's the Czech Jerry Jones.

Nonetheless, we'll see what happens with our beloved Petra (not only with Kvitova's 2013 results, but if she gets any effective or world class coaches, specialist, advisers, fitness, medical consultation, etc., in her camp/stable)?
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Let's hope for the best Steni.

And I agree with you. It was mostly Petra's talent that carried her in 2011, cause she had no burdens, played freely, and didn't feel any pressure.
WOW!This is VERY reminiscent of the VIP story;everyone had this false illusion that she was wise and mature just because she was able to speak a few languages and had some booksmarts...and now hindsight has shown us that she has the emotional maturity level of a shallow,spoiled 12-year-old...it's so pathetic that it's probably stand-up material at Serbian comedy clubs.

One of VIP's big complaints was/is that tennis wasn't/isn't fun anymore now that it's a JOB and not merely a carefree child's game......It'd be WORSE if this happened to Petra,too--not just because of the repeated agony but because Petra's a legitimately nice gal and not some phony slut who concocts a wholseome Virgin Mary image and then treats her handlers like manure.I'm too close as a Petra fan to have an impartial perspective,yet I'd like to think that Petra's love for tennis goes way beyond lame,highly-superficial dreams of stardom and photoshoots.In the end,she doesn't need to totally abandon her childlike joy with tennis to have a solid,consistent career.However,the correct balance between Fun and Career is something Petra must discover for herself
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WOW!This is VERY reminiscent of the VIP story;everyone had this false illusion that she was wise and mature just because she was able to speak a few languages and had some booksmarts...and now hindsight has shown us that she has the emotional maturity level of a shallow,spoiled 12-year-old...it's so pathetic that it's probably stand-up material at Serbian comedy clubs.

One of VIP's big complaints was/is that tennis wasn't/isn't fun anymore now that it's a JOB and not merely a carefree child's game......It'd be WORSE if this happened to Petra,too--not just because of the repeated agony but because Petra's a legitimately nice gal and not some phony slut who concocts a wholseome Virgin Mary image and then treats her handlers like manure.I'm too close as a Petra fan to have an impartial perspective,yet I'd like to think that Petra's love for tennis goes way beyond lame,highly-superficial dreams of stardom and photoshoots.In the end,she doesn't need to totally abandon her childlike joy with tennis to have a solid,consistent career.However,the correct balance between Fun and Career is something Petra must discover for herself
What did she think it was going to be? a hobby?

I agree that I'm too biased, but watching Petra play in 2011 did not give me the impression that she was in it for anything other than the sport itself. Which is good, because the one thing I cannot stand in professional sports is when the athlete has no interest or love for the game.
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What did she think it was going to be? a hobby?

I agree that I'm too biased, but watching Petra play in 2011 did not give me the impression that she was in it for anything other than the sport itself. Which is good, because the one thing I cannot stand in professional sports is when the athlete has no interest or love for the game.
Well said.

As they say, one of the best things that can happen to you is when your hobby becomes your profession, which means you do what you love and they even pay you for it!

Petra definitely loves tennis, but don't expect her to play until 40 or 50 like Navratilova. She's too family-oriented for that
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Well said.

As they say, one of the best things that can happen to you is when your hobby becomes your profession, which means you do what you love and they even pay you for it!

Petra definitely loves tennis, but don't expect her to play until 40 or 50 like Navratilova. She's too family-oriented for that
As well as other things (to Navratilova)!! :

Remember, you can't play when you're pregnant and carrying. Not sure Martina ever had that dilemma?
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Off-topic, we have an extremely fun Davis Cup final on our hands.

Why:

(1) Radek made the semis in London and is now world #4 in doubles and with Tomas they have a 11-1 Davis Cup record, BUT the 6th-seeded Spaniards have just triumphed in London, basically out of nowhere !!

The doubles match can easily go to five sets and offer lots of drama given the current form and track-record of all four players.

(2) Berdych-Ferrer - world #6 vs. world #5, H2H 3-4, extremely close matchup, may decide the outcome of the final. You can't ask for more.

(3) Stepanek-Almagro - Radek leads H2H 2-1, but Almagro won their last match in August and is much younger. On the other hand, there's still a chance that a fresh Radek may pull an upset with home crowd support.

(4) The Czech team captain has an ace up his sleeve: the Spanish 'killer' Lukas Rosol, who ended Nadal's 2012 season.

(5) The atmosphere will be amazing, with Ivan Lendl, Pavel Slozil, Jan Kodes and other well-known past players in the audience. I wouldn't be suprised if Petra and a few other Czech chicks showed up as well.

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Remember, you can't play when you're pregnant and carrying. <snip>
Argh. Why did you have to say that? I realise you're probably making an ironic reference to the popular GM description of Petra's shape, and at any rate not being serious. But I can't help myself, and you've made me bootlessly waste several minutes searching 1960s Wimbledon draw sheets on wikipedia.

I don't believe there's a rule against playing pregnant. Pregnancy isn't mentioned at all in the ITF circuit regs, and only in relation to special ranks in the WTA tour rules.

I remember Christine Janes (nee Truman) doing Wimbledon commentary a few years back talking about playing a relatively late term American opponent at Wimbledon, as well as later playing in the early stages of pregnancy herself. I've been trying to work out who the American was, but none of the opponents' names really fits the bill.
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Re: Petra Kvitova News and Articles

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Argh. Why did you have to say that? I realise you're probably making an ironic reference to the popular GM description of Petra's shape, and at any rate not being serious. But I can't help myself, and you've made me bootlessly waste several minutes searching 1960s Wimbledon draw sheets on wikipedia.

I don't believe there's a rule against playing pregnant. Pregnancy isn't mentioned at all in the ITF circuit regs, and only in relation to special ranks in the WTA tour rules.

I remember Christine Janes (nee Truman) doing Wimbledon commentary a few years back talking about playing a relatively late term American opponent at Wimbledon, as well as later playing in the early stages of pregnancy herself. I've been trying to work out who the American was, but none of the opponents' names really fits the bill.

Actually no.

I was making a reference to the fact that Nav's is a Lesbian, who never carried, so could play tennis 40 yrs straight.

That's was it.
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