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Old Dec 18th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #751
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I think the tummy thing is overblown. Check the pictures (copyproof) from today's match, especially #5 and #6.
She looks in great shape and I can't see any "spare tyre". Long arms & legs, slim body and a wealth of talent. Plus, mentally strong.
We're looking at a future multi-slam champ, JMHO.


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You described her well. And I agreed with everything you said.

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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 12:06 AM   #752
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You described her well. And I agreed with everything you said.

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yeah, she is ready for 2012
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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #753
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Petra's biggest potential detriment in any tournament, is arriving out of form. And the challenge always is how/what's the best and quickest way to play her self into form, if she does arrives that way.

I'm sure many of the tactics that she employed at Linz and YEC (increased changing pace, drop shots, lobbing, more angles, going to the net, etc., and a improved serve) will help her get through those early rounds, after inactivity better. Petra usually tries to hit her way back into form from the baseline. She should continue to do that, but she should also attempt to add variety and change the pace for easy shots/points when they're available in those early rounds matches (i.e. end the points quickly; with out having to kill the ball or paint the lines, that can lead to errors). Shoot! Sometimes when she's hitting the ball really hard, she doesn't have to go for the lines; just hit the ball in a general direction and it should be good enough, depending on the early round opponent.

We'll see?
hard to say because when she is in North America she always "seems" to be out of form

however it's hard to imagine she would allow herself to become irrelevant over and over again during a tour worth 5800 points (IW/Miami/RogersCup/Cincy/USO in the past 2,3 years) and they are outdoor tournies, your analysis for indoor condition may not apply

edit: sorry didn't see that one at first place, i agree, sometimes it's just about getting through early rounds for her, for example, Linz, Paris, and after that, she's getting better, but i still find North America a different scenario, we'll see? Lol

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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #754
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hard to say because when she is in North America she always "seems" to be out of form

however it's hard to imagine she would allow herself to become irrelevant over and over again during a tour worth 5800 points (IW/Miami/RogersCup/Cincy/USO in the past 2,3 years) and they are outdoor tournies, your analysis for indoor condition may not apply

we'll see
I had already did an analysis of probably reasons she's performed the way she has in North America. So I'm not going to repeat it now. But there are identifiable reasons not to worry. Nonetheless, we always seem to have fun, go back and forth with this.

I'm not sure you can even bring up the US Open the last 2-3 years, cause she went to the US Open 4th round 2 years ago, beating the then current number one, Safina. She lost to the eventual Champion, Clijster's in the 3rd rd last year. Petra's bad luck facing Kim so early. And we all know what happened this year, along with her post Wimby Slam and summer injury, inactivity before playing matches!?

As far as transferring what she did in Linz and YEC (I'll also include Fed Cup/YEC), why wouldn't she; especially when you consider how slow the courts were there? It's fundamentally the same thing/surface. There's not that much difference. Trust me. If anything, it should give her a whole lot more confidence; cause the tactics she employed from Linz, YEC and Fed Cup are certainly transferable on any surface, but particularly hard courts (of any kind). With Petra it's so much about confidence and comfortability.

I have no doubt in my mind, that Petra will excel or win some of the important outdoor hard court tournaments in 2012. And we'll put an end to this over blown, alarmist, premature-reactionary issue some people believe. You have to be able to spot the player development and progress. It doesn't always scream at you. But she'll progress.

Let's hope she wins the Australian first for starters.
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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 03:11 PM   #755
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I agree.

I think we have a tendency to forget her longer and/or more stroke, running intensive matches, in favor of her more efficient ones.

Renee Stubbs, went crazy after Petra lost the 2nd set at the YEC, fearing she was tired from the accumulation of winning 4 previous matches. I don't know why? Well, Petra settled that quick in the third set, as well all know. Lol

Petra also played a long match vs Cibulkova at Madrid, then proceeded to smoke LI Na the next match, and eventually win the championship.

Petra's long early match in Paris with Stryokyva (I know I spelled her name wrong), then she went on to win the title there.

+ [The other matches you mentioned]
Good points, we know the brain prints faster and before all what is emotionally marking (astonishing shots, matches...) so this is not surprising that her brilliant displays are more mentioned than the times where she had to emotionally, physically... fight to win, there are many like you indicated.

I mean for real no one remembers the match against Strycova, I bet... lol, recalling she saved 1 MP and needed 5 to close, very difficult match that was... her average matches time in Open GDF was 2 hours (119.5 minutes).

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Yes Vika Power.

Even when Petra was big, she was able to play a tough, physical match vs #1 Safina in the 4th round and outlast her, in a near 3 hr match in NY.

So she seemed to always have the conditioning or grit, even when she was younger and less fit.

Now she's even more fit than previously, and she never seems to complain about being tired. And even occasionally when she does mentions it (after Jankovic-Linz), it doesn't seem to effect her play (the next match vs Cibulkova; which she won quite easily, after a competitive 1st set).

For her recent mountain training, for the upcoming season, Petra said she works out from early morning till dusk, till her bodies tired and she falls asleep. Petra added "But I like it". Hey! That should tell us something right there. Lol

These are the things that people who don't follow Petra closely, seldom hear or know about. Hell. Many Petra fans, don't know/realize her training regimen and the idiosyncrasies of her tennis game and matches. Lol
This are indications that she has lot of endurance... as we both agreed it is not valid to differentiate this from her mentality...

As to things related to foot speed, agility, sprint... she pretty much has all this things well for a tall girl, they can be better but she's working so we can only wait to see what the results will look like.
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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 03:13 PM   #756
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(1) this, but interestingly

it also depends on how you define "cost her a match"

if you say bad movement at BP, SP and MP, then there might be some matches which she lost in this way

or in a match when 50%, 60%, 70% of the points are gone due to bad movement, and we need stats to help us on this category

(2) however, i would say most of the time (imo, two exceptions this year are Rogers Cup and US Open), it is not that her movement is bad, just the ball is little bit out of her reach which has nothing to do with her and unfortunately that makes it look like she's bit slow, it happens to anyone and i'm pretty sure we would see much more from her opponents, but we simply don't care about them when watching Petra's match and instead we say 'what an amazing shot from Petra!" (actually her shot is just too good to make us realize the "poor movement" of the player on the other side)
(1) Petra is a tall girl... her movement understand intensity in that department is never going to consistently be high during all the course of a match, you know just like Cibulkova for example... she can make it be but I'm not a specialist in this so I don't know.

As for from a very distant POV I only have, a further explanation could be also furnished by exploring the manner Petra's 2011 season happened... she got propelled to the top almost "without any form of preparation". 2011 (the off-season) is her first ever physical preparation as a top, for the top (understand that her enthusiasm, determination... are multiplied)... so in that sense I'm not convinced what we saw in Wimbledon (F) and YEC (F) (lapses) will happen again.

(2) This thing "the ball is out of reach" truly as you said isn't a valid explanation... most agree that Kvitova defends very well for her height... that said, like I've said her defenses are "overrated" not in the wrong way but because she's very intelligent and knows when to change (slice...) to make seem that she's an exceptional defender... Petra is a very good defender doubtlessly.

Watch in Wimbledon/YEC and RG (Li Na) when she was playing from 3 ft. back at certain times, I'm too lazy to take the IBM PS then review and confront to the tapes the #'s of long exchanges she won when beyond the 2 meter line but many of these counter-punching shots (FH on the run etc...) she does exceptionally well, that's defense and that's turning defense into offense but still "offensive/active defense" from very defensive positions.
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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 03:27 PM   #757
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I can't see any "spare tyre".
It's one thing to think it's "overblown" but if you really can't see any spare tire on Kvitova you are blind, delusional or both.

Apparently some here seem to think that being a fan of somebody means convincing oneself that the person is "perfect."
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It's one thing to think it's "overblown" but if you really can't see
any spare tire on Kvitova you are blind, delusional or both
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Apparently some here seem to think that being a fan of somebody means convincing oneself that the person is "perfect."
To explain myself, I obviously do see the bulge in the exho pics, but what is interesting I don't see it at all in the pics from yesterday's match (check them please). It probably also depends on camera angle. I thing her fitness / heavy-lifting training is focused on arms and chest (upper body) and legs, but maybe they don't regard the stomach area as important ?

Conclusion: I agree with you, but I'd consider her losing the belly fat as an icing on the cake. She's a tennis player and not a body-builder and thus its more effective to spent her time practicing serves, groundstrokes, volleys, etc. But no doubt she'd look even better with a ripped stomach.
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Conclusion: I agree with you, but I'd consider her losing the belly fat as an icing on the cake. She's a tennis player and not a body-builder and thus its more effective to spent her time practicing serves, groundstrokes, volleys, etc. But no doubt she'd look even better with a ripped stomach.
On one hand I agree with you too - Kvitova can continue to be more and more successful without toning her core. On the other hand - that toning would improve her game(no matter how good it already is) Those muscles play a big part in generating strokes. Plus the slight change in her muscle-to-weight ration would improve the speed of her movement - by milliseconds yes but it still counts.

And as you said " she'd look even better with a ripped stomach."
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Nice collage.

Hopefully it will be 8-12 in 2012?
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Hey Yazoo, I hope you dont't mind that I used this great collage in my thread "Petra IndoorGOAT cruises past Eva Birnerova" as a response to the funniest comment ever: "Which Petra? Is it so difficult to you to add her surname?"
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Hey Yazoo, I hope you dont't mind that I used this great collage in my thread "Petra IndoorGOAT cruises past Eva Birnerova" as a response to the funniest comment ever: "Which Petra? Is it so difficult to you to add her surname?"
No problem.

Did you watch Petra's match against Hradecka at all? From the score it seems it was very close and could have gone either way. People in GM are saying that Petra's indoor streak is now over and what not, but this doesn't count in official stats so technically the streak is still running. Sorry for going off topic in the photos thread.
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