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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 12:04 AM   #31
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Sabine deleted my comment from her status. Did I say something bad/rude?
Only guessing but maybe with Sabine trying to win more fans as part of this xperia hotshots project she doesn't want criticism, even if it's trying to be helpful, on her page. I think she is quite sensitive.

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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 12:16 AM   #32
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Only guessing but maybe with Sabine trying to win more fans as part of this xperia hotshots project she doesn't want criticism, even if it's trying to be helpful, on her page.

Maybe you are right Mike.. Maybe that project is more important than one of biggest fan's comment.. If so, I wont write her anymore.. Anyway, big match tomorrow. I hope she wins
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Maybe you are right Mike.. Maybe that project is more important than one of biggest fan's comment.. If so, I wont write her anymore.. Anyway, big match tomorrow. I hope she wins
I think you should still write her. I'm sure she appreciates your comments and she obviously reads them. She just didn't like that particular comment because she's trying to present herself in the best possible way and it's her page so she has full control over it Atleast this is my guess...

Yeah she has nothing to lose against Petrova, she can just go for her shots. Go Sabine!
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Sabine deleted my comment from her status. Did I say something bad/rude?
I think its unfair to criticize Sabine only based on live scoring.
Live scoring can be deceiving.
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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 08:26 AM   #35
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I think its unfair to criticize Sabine only based on live scoring.
Live scoring can be deceiving.
It can be deceiving but didn't we see she lost lots of cheap points? Czink came from 0-40s... She is a sports person and she has to respect all the criticisms about her. Being a sports-person requires to be open to criticism. I wasn't rude, didn't say a bad word to her. Just said next time play better and avoid doing this mistakes. Sabine is not the only one who I write this kind of criticisms. None of them deleted my comment besides, sometimes they reply me.
Anyway, I hope she wins today.

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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 08:49 AM   #36
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It can be deceiving but didn't we see she lost lots of cheap points? Czink came from 0-40s... She is a sports person and she has to respect all the criticisms about her. I wasn't rude, didn't say a bad word. Just said next time play better and avoid doing this mistakes.
Sabine was feeling good about herself for finally getting that win and 'battling it out' as she said. I think she is quite sensitive to criticism and it looks like your post upset her when she was feeling good. She would probably prefer to hear these kinds of criticisms from her dad rather than fans. I didn't personally have a problem with your comments but since Sabine did and we are big fans, we should be understanding of her.
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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 09:09 AM   #37
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I wrote this comment to Sabine's facebook status. [...]


[...] To be honest, your match statistics and your game didn't impressed me much. I was expecting a win 2-0 and something like 6-2 6-3 for you.. Czink was so weak she made 13dfs and it basically means she gifted 3 games to you. More dramatic one is she had 11bp chances! 12/47 %26 1st return point statistic for a player like you is uneasy. [...]"
I second cosmoose's reply and add my 2 cents:
  • Your comment about Melinda (made seven DF in opening set, which Sabine won 63 by one break), says much more about yourself than quality of Melinda's play.
  • Melinda had eight of her eleven BPs in set two. She converted two and won set 75.
  • You need to know quality of Meldinda's service, if you judge Sabines (WTA 217) returns.
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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 09:32 AM   #38
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I second cosmoose's reply and add my 2 cents:
  • Your comment about Melinda (made seven DF in opening set, which Sabine won 63 by one break), says much more about yourself than quality of Melinda's play.
  • Melinda had eight of her eleven BPs in set two. She converted two and won set 75.
  • You need to know quality of Meldinda's service, if you judge Sabines (WTA 217) returns.
Why don't you guys look Czink's previous matches?

Miami Round Result H A
22.03. Lisicki S. - Czink M. 1R 6-3, 5-7, 6-4
Clearwater ITF Round Result H A
08.03. Foretz Gacon S. - Czink M. 1R 5-5
07.03. Czink M. - Dabrowski G. Q-R16 6-4, 6-2
06.03. Czink M. - Giorgi C. Q-1R 6-1, 7-61
Hammond ITF Round Result H A
01.03. Savinykh V. - Czink M. 1R 6-1, 7-6
27.02. Czink M. - Cabeza-Candela E. Q-R16 6-4, 4-6, 6-2
26.02. Czink M. - Kichenok L. Q-1R 6-3, 6-3

Who did she play and how did she lost.. Do you think those rivals much more strong or talented than Sabine? Sabine is now world #218 but we all know her real game! What it was and what is should be.. I don't deny that she just came back from a long season break but an opponent like Czink who didn't play much in this season, only played ITF and retired from them can be easy beatable for Sabine! Compare them achievements, team behind them, age, victories etc.. You said Czink's serve quality? What quality are you talking about? Is he serving better than Sabine does? Don't make me laugh guys. Mike maybe you are right, maybe she don't want to hear those from her fans...


Btw;
Check their match stats in 2009 Bali and 2011 Miami


Sabine Lisicki Melinda Czink (Bali)
Sevice Statistics
Aces 15 3
Double Faults 7 3

1st Serve Percentage 54% (45/84) 66% (62/94)
1st Serve Points Won 78% (35/45) 56% (35/62)

2nd Serve Points Won 56% (22/39) 69% (22/32)
Break Points Saved 50% (2/4) 55% (6/11)
Service Games Played 15 15
Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 44% (27/62) 22% (10/45)
2nd Return Points Won 31% (10/32) 44% (17/39)

Break Points Won 45% (5/11) 50% (2/4)
Return Games Played 15 15
Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 68% (57/84) 61% (57/94)
Total Return Points Won 39% (37/94) 32% (27/84)
Total Points Won 53% (94/178) 47% (84/178)



Tournament Miami WTA
Round Round of 96
Winner Sabine Lisicki
Duration 157 minutes
Sabine Lisicki Melinda Czink
Sevice Statistics
Aces 5 0
Double Faults 7 13
1st Serve Percentage 48% (62/128) 48% (47/98)
1st Serve Points Won 60% (37/62) 74% (35/47)
2nd Serve Points Won 61% (40/66) 51% (26/51)
Break Points Saved 82% (9/11) 57% (4/7)
Service Games Played 16 15
Statistics on Return
1st Return Points Won 26% (12/47) 40% (25/62)
2nd Return Points Won 49% (25/51) 39% (26/66)
Break Points Won 43% (3/7) 18% (2/11)
Return Games Played 15 16
Statistics on Points
Total Service Points Won 60% (77/128) 62% (61/98)
Total Return Points Won 38% (37/98) 40% (51/128)
Total Points Won 50% (114/226) 50% (112/226)

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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 11:30 AM   #39
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[...] Sabine is now world #218 but we all know her real game!
Maybe this is the reason for your disappointment: Sabine was neither able to transform her results from 2009 into first quarter 2010 nor after her comeback. Reflect her losses in 2011 and maybe its time to adjust your expectations:

R2 Auckland Yanina Wickmayer (# 23) 26 63 26
Q2 Melbourne Vesna Manasieva (# 146) 67(5) 46
QF Midland Lucie Hradecka (# 106) 16 62 67(3)
Q1 [WC]Indian Wells Sorana Cristea (# ) 64 67(2) 26

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You said Czink's serve quality? What quality are you talking about? Is he serving better than Sabine does? Don't make me laugh guys.
As cosmoose I am not able to judge Melinda's service quality from steering at score boards and/or stats. Independently, Sabine's services are autonomous from her returns!
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Maybe this is the reason for your disappointment: Sabine was neither able to transform her results from 2009 into first quarter 2010 nor after her comeback. Reflect her losses in 2011 and maybe its time to adjust your expectations:

R2 Auckland Yanina Wickmayer (# 23) 26 63 26
Q2 Melbourne Vesna Manasieva (# 146) 67(5) 46
QF Midland Lucie Hradecka (# 106) 16 62 67(3)
Q1 [WC]Indian Wells Sorana Cristea (# ) 64 67(2) 26
I know but Czink was so weak. I didn't expect good result or statistics while she was playing against Wickmayer nor Hradecka&Cirstea but Czink is not playing a good tennis therefore I wanted Sabine to defeat her easly. Today I'm not expecting an easy much too.
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How about we wait until her 2nd round match is over, we will know about her playing mode then...
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I know but Czink was so weak. I didn't expect good result or statistics while she was playing against Wickmayer nor Hradecka&Cirstea but Czink is not playing a good tennis therefore I wanted Sabine to defeat her easly. Today I'm not expecting an easy much too.
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I think its unfair to criticize Sabine only based on live scoring.
Live scoring can be deceiving.
If you look at her service game stats, they were pretty bad, esp. in 2nd set with only 54% first serve points won. Normally she should have had Czink under control with her service, regardless of her return game.

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Maybe you are right Mike.. Maybe that project is more important than one of biggest fan's comment.. If so, I wont write her anymore.. Anyway, big match tomorrow. I hope she wins
Dunno how much her management (or Sony) looks after her facebook page, even now when it is part of the "xperia"-campaign. Maybe it was too negative towards Czink.
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Old Mar 24th, 2011, 07:47 PM   #43
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It can be deceiving but didn't we see she lost lots of cheap points? Czink came from 0-40s... She is a sports person and she has to respect all the criticisms about her. Being a sports-person requires to be open to criticism. I wasn't rude, didn't say a bad word to her. Just said next time play better and avoid doing this mistakes. Sabine is not the only one who I write this kind of criticisms. None of them deleted my comment besides, sometimes they reply me.
Anyway, I hope she wins today.
Although you may think you know what happened, YOU DIDN'T SEE how she lost those points unless you were there.
Most likely you are right about what probably happened. But we can't be certain. So I hesistate to criticize a match based only on live scoring.
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She won today against Petrova. Her stats were better than her last match. Good result against top 30. Good luck against Sharapova..
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Re: 2011 Miami

Just what I said, she won also her 2nd round match
Awesome, Sabine, keep going
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