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Old Aug 27th, 2011, 10:36 AM   #1936
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I wonder if Caro regards golf as a real sport. Heh.
It's considerably more of a sport than snooker or darts. Which are two games that I can't really understand being called sports. It's a bit like having Jenga as a sport.
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Regarding Snooker, I watched a lot of it on Eurosport because of it colliding with their tennis coverage all the time. And I have to say I have taken a liking to it. What those guys can do around a table is highly impressive. It can get very, very strategic at times. In my book it's a legitimate sport.
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I just realized that Caro and Andy Petko have a potential 4th R meeting at USO.

I'm torn
No, it's Li that Petkovic potentially plays in the 4th round.
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Old Aug 27th, 2011, 11:23 AM   #1939
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It's considerably more of a sport than snooker or darts. Which are two games that I can't really understand being called sports. It's a bit like having Jenga as a sport.
First of all, I don't think it's that important if golf, snooker, football or indeed tennis is a sport or not. "Sport" is just a convenient label to identify a certain form of human activity. I know that people like to seperate between sports and games, usually in an attempt to claim superiority of the first group. But really.....the world chess champion is a genius while the average boxer is just a silly neanderthal in comparison.

Personally I regard those types of competition for which the end result depends on a physical skill as a sport. For some it's sort of a macho thing - the more tired you get while doing it, the more of a sport it is. But going by that definition running a marathon is more of a sport than tennis or football and cycling (tour de France) makes most other sports look like a waste of time. I think all that is just nonsense. It's just that some sports are indeed about endurance while others may be about strenght, speed, co-ordination, technical skills, or a combination of several of those things. So for me darts or snooker ARE sports. Even though you may be a pot-bellied, beer drinking and chain smoking competitor - you nevertheless need a PHYSICAL skill to be good at it. You can't think the balls into the pockets, you have to put them there. Chess, bridge or checkers on the other hand are NOT sports to me. By which I don't mean to imply that these games are inferior to sports, but the outcome of them don't depend on a physical skill.
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I just realized that Caro and Andy Petko have a potential 4th R meeting at USO.

I'm torn
Well, let us all hope for a better quality match from both players than that abomination that was the Miami match.
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No, it's Li that Petkovic potentially plays in the 4th round.
Whoops. Disregard the above post.
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First of all, I don't think it's that important if golf, snooker, football or indeed tennis is a sport or not. "Sport" is just a convenient label to identify a certain form of human activity. I know that people like to seperate between sports and games, usually in an attempt to claim superiority of the first group. But really.....the world chess champion is a genius while the average boxer is just a silly neanderthal in comparison.
My main gripe in this regard is actually about how the BBC spends 'x' amount of its sports budget on stuff that isn't particularly justifiable in the amount of coverage it gets. But I suppose this is a different discussion.

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Personally I regard those types of competition for which the end result depends on a physical skill as a sport. For some it's sort of a macho thing - the more tired you get while doing it, the more of a sport it is. But going by that definition running a marathon is more of a sport than tennis or football and cycling (tour de France) makes most other sports look like a waste of time. I think all that is just nonsense. It's just that some sports are indeed about endurance while others may be about strenght, speed, co-ordination, technical skills, or a combination of several of those things. So for me darts or snooker ARE sports. Even though you may be a pot-bellied, beer drinking and chain smoking competitor - you nevertheless need a PHYSICAL skill to be good at it. You can't think the balls into the pockets, you have to put them there. Chess, bridge or checkers on the other hand are NOT sports to me. By which I don't mean to imply that these games are inferior to sports, but the outcome of them don't depend on a physical skill.
This is kind of what I mean though. I don't think Jenga is any less challenging as regards physical skill. You just don't (usually) get live TV coverage, an audience of about 2000 and a massive cheque for winning like you do with snooker. Same with this game I used to have called 'Jungle Hunt' where you put the switch on and you tried to whack the animals as soon as they popped up (until I worked out you could whack the animals when they were hidden sorta 'inside' the game board and still lift them up).

Surely there should be some definition as regards physical skill because otherwise what's the difference?
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My main gripe in this regard is actually about how the BBC spends 'x' amount of its sports budget on stuff that isn't particularly justifiable in the amount of coverage it gets. But I suppose this is a different discussion.
That's probably a typo above;I think you mean 'SPBC',the South Pole Broadcasting Channel,and not the 'B'BC.What do you consider the most popular sport in your homeland?Would it be Glacier Surfing,Ice Skateboarding,Orca Jumping...or would it be something else entirely?
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That's probably a typo above;I think you mean 'SPBC',the South Pole Broadcasting Channel,and not the 'B'BC.What do you consider the most popular sport in your homeland?Would it be Glacier Surfing,Ice Skateboarding,Orca Jumping...or would it be something else entirely?
BBC would consider it Formula 1 judging by the ridiculous amount spent, and the very poor renewal terms they got this time for a non exclusive part schedule.

Channel 5 used to show any old cheap sport, some of which were great, became popular, and then they were outbid by pay for view.

If BBC respected genuine interest they would cover Le Mans. I suspect what they cover is often down to the personal preference (budget constrained) of the director of sport.
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BBC would consider it Formula 1 judging by the ridiculous amount spent, and the very poor renewal terms they got this time for a non exclusive part schedule.

Channel 5 used to show any old cheap sport, some of which were great, became popular, and then they were outbid by pay for view.

If BBC respected genuine interest they would cover Le Mans. I suspect what they cover is often down to the personal preference (budget constrained) of the director of sport.
Well,even though I never watch LeMans,I certainly respect those who compete in it...and it's FARRRR more of a sport than the WSP.....Sitting on your couch to watch OTHER people play cards=to the extreme and indicates a severe need for that person to get some hobbies.....The Little League WS is another head-scratcher for me.Who demands such programming??The disgustingly-increasing ranks of pedophiles??Seriously,setting aside the debate on whether or not professional baseball is watchable on TV(which it isn't for lots of people),who in the heck would wanna watch a bunch of 10-year-old boys?!?!?!(other than their parents or close relatives---who can watch IN PERSON)
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That's probably a typo above;I think you mean 'SPBC',the South Pole Broadcasting Channel,and not the 'B'BC.What do you consider the most popular sport in your homeland?Would it be Glacier Surfing,Ice Skateboarding,Orca Jumping...or would it be something else entirely?
Interesting you should ask this. They're currently showing the third round of the Antarctic Open, where the number 3 seed Andy Brrr-ay (Falkland Islands) is two sets to one down against Whale Arthurs, a qualifer from Ross Ice Shelf.

The film Surf's Up, with its very realistic depictions of the region's surfing scene has increased participation about 300% in the last few years. Besides that, just the traditional sports of fishing and swimming, really.

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BBC would consider it Formula 1 judging by the ridiculous amount spent, and the very poor renewal terms they got this time for a non exclusive part schedule.
Aye, but it gets more viewers than the snooker, I'd imagine.

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Channel 5 used to show any old cheap sport, some of which were great, became popular, and then they were outbid by pay for view.
Channel 5 used to show a lot of weird stuff, including this show International King of Sports, which was brilliant but never really ran much beyond series one I don't think.
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But fortunately we now live in a time when we have so many tv channels and online streams at our disposal that everyone can watch virtually every important event in the sports of his/her choice - no matter what they may be.
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Aye, but it gets more viewers than the snooker, I'd imagine.
I remember going to a few snooker clubs in my youth (dragged) and it always being the same few people, same stench of stale ale and smoke. It answers bruce's (overly inflammatory) question of why, because its obvious the TV coverage creates interest, and from the humble pot black to todays over exposure, the clubs are certainly different today. I venture Pool is more played by it compact nature, and presence in most student unions, however, Youth sports does aid take up in that sport among kids. Who in the UK remembers the Sumo? IIRC there were generous contributions (from a certain government) to get sumo on TV as a method of culture penetration and acceptance for its exports etc. Sport is business alas, and most forms would struggle for competitors if it were not for cash from subsidies by either commercial or government organisations.


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Channel 5 used to show a lot of weird stuff, including this show International King of Sports, which was brilliant but never really ran much beyond series one I don't think.
C5 was in many ways the most honest provider at the time... 'Hey its cheap entertainment and good business'. Much more honest than the over hyped for importance concerns. The fact that Wimbledon gets so much coverage would cause most auditors to call foul play if we were going for value for money and showing the public what the public wants?
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Is it just me or have others noticed the star ratings dropping on our key threads?

I usually rate the threads as a form of sticky (as do other regulars i suspect) so that its easy to find the main threads we post in...

I have to say I am 'touched', that anybody can be bothered to come to this section and down rate threads as if it was in anyway meaningful.
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and showing the public what the public wants?
Heaven forbid. We'd have a non-stop stream of TOWIE, Big Brother, Don't you know who I am get me out of here in the Jungle, X-Factor, Popstars, Kardashian, Kerry Katona, Paris Hilton utter and total sheit ..

Oh wait. Thats pretty much whats already on telly these days

Add to this programmes like Apprentice. Hmm yeah right, Elite of British Entrepreneurs, who thinks Columbus is British, cannot multiply 60 with 7 (4,800 was his first attempt at a result ).

Recently in Dragon's Den, a website with 200 hits a day *yawns* claimed to have turnover of £60k a year and from there, someone said 'I'd like to make you an offer' .. Riiiiight. Nothing staged here.

Ah well, Topgear guys don't actually drive the cars for the footage. Wow, what a surprised. Staged too. Nothing to see. Move on. Its all real and listed under 'factual'.

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