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Old Dec 5th, 2001, 02:41 PM   #1
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I've decided to come up a thread to discuss the strengths and flaws of the Chinese Tennis teams. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <br />And news of course...

Apparently, the Chinese Team have "recommenced" their training for the Asian Games next year, and the 2004 Olympics from the 1st December at Shenzhen.

The women's team include:

* Li Na (Hubei)<br />* Li Ting (Hubei)<br />* Liu Nan-Nan (Tianjin)<br />* Peng Shuai (Tianjin)<br />* Yan Zi (Sichuan)<br />* Zheng Jie (Sichuan)<br />* Sun Tian-Tian (Henan)<br />* Liu Jing-Jing (Hunan)

All these girls are talented. I'm especially looking forward to seeing how 17 year old, Yan Zi does in the future.

Now we know why there were no Chinese players at Nonthaburi this week. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Old Dec 5th, 2001, 03:00 PM   #2
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This 'training' is going to take place for 3 months, so i guess we'll see them out of action until Fed Cup. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

They say that they'll play more international events next year. Hope so...<br />As well as this, initially there will be 10 domestic ITF events in China next year.

Interestingly, Li Na went to the US in Sept by herself to play in an event. Due to the Sept 11 events, she was stranded in one of the airports and couldn't arrive on time. No wonder I saw her name on one of the singles draws but was replaced by a lucky loser. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Old Dec 5th, 2001, 03:35 PM   #3
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Good idea to start this thread danker. I hope we will have some "insiders" posting some news very soon.

I did not know that Li Na had sufficient funds to go on her own to the States. I thought that the Chinese Federation was collecting all prize money and financing in return all players in the national team.

Or was it paid by her family?

It is maybe a good thing she starts to be on her own as she has the talent to be in the top 100 quickly and she needs the means now.

As far as ITF tourneys in China are concerned, according to the latest updated schedule, 5 tourneys have been cancelled already (including the $25,000 in Ningbo) and 3 have been added (including a $25,000 in Shenzhen).

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Those events were cancelled becaused they clashed with the $50K ones in Japan. I can't see the team travelling to Japan, they always seems to avoid playing there for some reason. <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

I'm sure more will be added later on. I think those 10 tourneys include Shanghai as well, but I'm not too sure. BTW, the Kiwi Open has been moved a few weeks back to avoid clashing with the Asian Games. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I heard 50% of the prizemoney goes to the government, and 20% to the Federation and they get to only keep 30% of it. I don't know if that's still the policy or not. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Old Dec 5th, 2001, 04:01 PM   #5
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It was still something of this kind last April.
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I really hope Na Li climbs back up in the rankings next year, she was so close to top 100 in 2000, and didn't keep playing bigger events in 2001 which saw her ranking drop down signficantly. If she can play more events, especially outside of China, I think she can definetly be in the top 100.

Also hope to see more from Shuai Peng next year.
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Randy,

I remember a discussion on the former Sanex WTA board with danker on Li Na. It had appeared that actually she had had some kind of mental breakdown when she tried to play bigger events than ITF (danker had mentioned had that time that she had cancelled her US tour).

So I can only hope that she has matured and will be successful this year. There certainly could be a nice paper to write about Na for the WTA essay stuff on 2002 up and coming players. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Thanks for the info on Na, Steve <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I didn't realize she suffered a breakdown, I am sure it must be tough for tour players trying to make a transition to travelling around the world constantly, and even more so makign a transition from ITF events, to WTA events which get more attention on them.

I too hope she has matured with the experience of the past 2 seasons, and is ready to start working her way up. It would be a real shame if she didn't move up and make the most of her potential!
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Randy,

the pressure these kiddies get on them is certainly unbelievable (after all, they are only between 15 and 20 for most of them!).

This is why I believe it is good there is such a site as WTAworld, where most of the comments on players are positive. If they read them, I am certain it somehow helps them.
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Just something to comment on, the average age of the 8 players in the Chinese training squad is 18! <img src="redface.gif" border="0">

Very young indeed, I also read that they are all sacrificing their rankings this year in order to compete next year to their full potential.

Steve, of all the Chinese players you've seen, would you say that Li Na has the most potential?<br />I read that the coach felt that Liu Nan-Nan was to defensive in the final of the National Championships.
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danker, I have not seen Shuao Peng yet. I have seen only :<br />- Li Na<br />- Li Ting<br />- Sun Tian Tian<br />- Liu Jing Jing

in both 2000 and 2001 Hochiminh City ITF

- Liu Nan Nan

in 2001 Hochiminh City ITF

There is one year difference between Liu Nan Nan and Li Na. This can sometimes make a lot of difference.

As far as Liu Nan Nan is concerned, I saw her match against Wynne Prakusya <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> . She did not seem to defensive to me. However, she certainly bent down when Wynne shifted to 6th gear. Wynne has however shown she has a huge potential since then.

However I must say that Na got rid easily (to my impression) of Angelique in Hochiminh City. It was not much of a threat to her. She really controled the match from beginning to end.

Against Vaidyanathan, Na did not hesitate to go to the net to take control of the match (while she is usually dictating the pace from the back of the court).

And she had not major difficulty to close the match against Roberta Vinci.

I think however that this is because Na has more experience than Liu Nan Nan. It could be that Liu Nan Nan was psychologically nrevous in the final against Li Na. Na is doing usually fine against other Chinese players.

I think I'll be able to give some more comments after seeing Liu Nan Nan for a second tourney (at least I hope so).

Na has however been so far the player who made the strongest impression on me. She is also the only player who has not had the results I expected.

As far as she is concerned, she will not come next time in Hochiminh City without having a serious conversation with me. If we are both in Vietnam at the same time, I can guarantee that to you. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I would however based on what I have seen so far give a slight edge to Na.
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One more comment danker. I note the comment saying that the Chinese players are "sacrificing the year" to play at their full potential the year after.

I really have the feeling that the Chinese Federation is always asking their players to make sacrifices :<br />- either for the next year<br />- or for the next generation

However, the Chinese Federation can not expect to have a spontaneous tennis prodigy pop up like that from the Chinese squad.

Having a top player requires talent of course, but also determination and a lot of work.

I would guess this is why Na is starting to play tourneys on her own. She could feel she is being sacrificied by the Chinese Federation for younger players, with not much more potential, whilst she feels she can really make it.

I hope I am right and she will reallly go for it this year and prove the Chinese Federation that their approach is wrong.

What pushes me to think so is that the Chinese coach was really ignoring Na during last tourney to focus much more on Liu Nan Nan.

I really think it was wrong and Na is not that old (she'll be 20 in 2002) and can still make it very big.
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Can you guys tell me one thing: How will Taiwan's situation be at the Olympics?? Just wondering... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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I have also seen Na play .... as expected she was quite powerful .... i really expected her to break through last year.... she's a fairly tall girl for a chinese and likes to whack the ball....she's fit, young .... hammers the backhand you would reckon she is destined to have a succesful pro career.... but she has yet to break through <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

Na seems to destroy ALL the asian girls in asia .... then mentally breakdown against any other opponents on any other continent <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <br />Na IMO is top 50 material.... if only she wasn't so fragile when it comes to traveling to other countries and experiencing new situations! <img src="frown.gif" border="0">

The Chinese Tennis Federation don't seem to be aware of the consequences on their decisions! - they have some talent with Nan-Nan, Na, Zi. if only they could develop their players more! <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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Steve, I saw that you wrote on another thread that Sun Tian-Tian has her up-and-downs in a match especially when she's in a bad mood.

Can you describe her to me a bit more?

Is Liu Jing-Jing like this too?

BTW, Do you recognise any Chinese players in the "2000" gallery of <a href="http://www.kiwiopen.com?" target="_blank">www.kiwiopen.com?</a>
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