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Old May 20th, 2010, 01:36 PM   #46
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Maybe Steffi would have fallen in love with Andre's wig at the french open 1990 if she had not been distracted by the Bild instead of bashing him in the Stern afterwards which shows that she at least was paying attention to him, but with a happy mind her perspective might have been different!
if it's true,then why she rejected Andre's love invitation in 1992?
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Old May 20th, 2010, 04:37 PM   #47
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

About Steffi rejecting Andre and excuses: Was Steffi really ill in wimbledon 1993 or was she afraid Sampras was after her too?
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Graf's Toughest Foe

By FERDINAND PROTZMAN, Special to The New York Times
Published: July 13, 1990



BONN, July 12— In past years she has left Wimbledon as a proud champion and been celebrated as a role model at home in West Germany. But last week Steffi Graf departed from London a deeply troubled young woman.

The personal life of the world's No. 1 female tennis player has been in turmoil since late May, when Graf's 66-match winning streak ended with a first-ever loss to Monica Seles, in the final of the Berlin Open. That was followed by another loss to Seles in the French Open final and a semifinal defeat at the hands of Zina Garrison last Thursday at Wimbledon.

Graf has placed blame for the slump on the West German news media, which for two months has regularly made front-page news of her family's personal problems. The chief culprit in her eyes is the tabloid Bild, the nation's largest-circulation newspaper, which began running a story during the Berlin Open about her father's involvement with a woman who has modeled in the nude.

Head Problem

In a two-part interview with Stern, a West German weekly magazine, which was published during Wimbledon, Graf said the news media had hurt her so deeply that ''I could not fight as usual.''

''Tennis is won with the head, but my head was often not with the game,''
she said.

Since Wimbledon, Graf has been in seclusion. Bild reported today that Graf had a secret operation Monday in Heidelberg to cure a persistent sinus problem and was recovering at her home in Bruhl. Neither she nor her father could be reached for comment.

Behind the headlines and the Stern interview is the story of a young woman with exceptional athletic skills and above-average intelligence whose life and career have been completely dominated by her father since she was a child. Now, at age 21, she is beginning to pursue other interests and develop her independence. It remains to be seen whether recent events accelerate that process, although at Wimbledon Graf said she had no intention of severing her business relationship with her father.

Model, Baby and Money

Graf's problems began in late May when Bild began regularly adorning its front page with the lurid tale of Nicole Meissner, a 22-year-old model, who said Peter Graf - a 52-year-old former used-car salesman - was the father of her baby daughter. Headlines like ''Sex, Baby, Nude Model - Why did Father Graf simply pay?'' were always accompanied by a photo of Meissner sans apparel.

Bild, boasting daily circulation of 5.3 million copies, is a national institution providing Germans with a fluffy blend of sensationalism, sports, sleaziness and prurience. It is like a hybrid publication produced by crossing The National Enquirer and Playboy.

It has no qualms about paying for stories and, as a result, has had some spectacular scoops and flops. Bild reportedly paid Meissner and her manager, Eberhard Thust, the equivalent of $91,000 for exclusive rights to Meissner's story.

Her story and photos were quickly picked up by other European newspapers and magazines, and seemed to follow Graf wherever she went. Her famed ability to concentrate under pressure began crumbling and the corner-seeking forehand rockets that are her trademark began to go astray.

The normally stoic Graf also began to show emotions in public, crying after her Paris loss and smashing a hole in the locker-room wall with her racquet after the Berlin final.

''In Paris and Berlin, I indeed did not just lose against Monica Seles; I was defeated by an opponent that wasn't even on the court,'' Graf told Stern. ''Yes, I also lost the two finals against the German press.''

Saying she couldn't take much more, Graf threatened to leave West Germany and move to the United States if the newspapers ''hurt me and my family in the future with their headlines.''

Big News in London, Too

At Wimbledon, reporters were prohibited from asking questions about the subject during Graf's news conferences, but the London tabloids nevertheless seized on the subject with vigor. The distractions drew sympathy from other players.

''I just hope that Steffi gets herself together and that she is able to overcome the incredible pressures that she's feeling and that she had nothing to do with,'' Martina Navratilova told reporters during Wimbledon. ''I feel sorry for that happening to her. She did nothing to deserve it and it's a real shame. I just hope she gets through it and can concentrate on tennis again 100 percent.''

The story itself has become increasingly convoluted over the weeks. Testifying in court, Meissner recanted her contention that Peter Graf was the father of her child and denied that she had had intimate relations with him. But his name is on the birth certificate, although that is not legally binding proof of paternity in West Germany.

One of the few incontestable facts, said the Frankfurt Prosecutor's Office, is that Peter Graf paid Meissner $424,000. The key question is whether it was extorted or not. Meissner and Thust, a 43-year-old former bar owner and sometime boxing promoter, are being held in a Frankfurt jail on suspicion of having blackmailed Graf. They have not been formally charged and, under West German law, can be held almost indefinitely if a judge rules that there is sufficient reason to suspect they committed a crime. A spokesman for the Frankfurt Prosecutor's Office said the investigation is continuing.

Parents Are Silent

Peter Graf, meanwhile, has said nothing publicly on the case. Steffi's mother, Heidi, has also been silent, and, in public at least, the family appears to be holding together.

What may prove even more difficult for Peter Graf than his current problems is facing up to the fact that his daughter is no longer a child, but an adult who is beginning to see more to life than tennis.

By all accounts, he did an exceptional job of recognizing and developing his daughter's tennis talent. When Steffi was 12, he quit his job to devote full attention to training her. She turned pro two years later.

''He was conscientious, cautious and effective,'' one tennis expert said. ''Peter Graf passed up quick money from a heavy tournament schedule because he knew she was not ready. Think of Andrea Jaeger, Tracy Austin and all the junior teen tennis stars who burned out physically or mentally before they were 20. Peter Graf succeeded in avoiding that, which is an accomplishment.''

But once Steffi attained the No. 1 ranking in August 1987, the drive and determination that made Peter Graf so effective as a mentor became increasingly irksome to the tennis world, manifesting themselves as a penchant for meddling and a constant striving to control every facet of his daughter's image. That was typified by his decision earlier this year to create a ''more womanly'' image for Steffi, which led to her posing for a series of sophisticated fashion photographs for Vogue.

Comparison With Becker

That image-shaping was also prompted in part by a desire to make his daughter as popular as Boris Becker, West Germany's male tennis idol. The cool, unemotional Steffi was somewhat unfairly compared with the fist-waving, shouting Becker and found lacking. As part of that image-shaping, Steffi often wrote articles for Bild at her father's request and reportedly for pay.

He also intervened with the press, including Bild, in an attempt to stop the recent stories, and has clearly put blame the entire matter on the news media, a view his daughter shares.

Referring to journalists, she told Stern: ''I hate these people. I will never stop hating these people, who wanted to destroy my family only because of the circulation of their newspapers.''
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

^^^Oh, for goodness's sake Melodramatic,much?
Steffi just hung onto the apron strings far too long. At 21, she should have had a life of her own instead of obsessing about Daddy.
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^^^Oh, for goodness's sake Melodramatic,much?
Steffi just hung onto the apron strings far too long. At 21, she should have had a life of her own instead of obsessing about Daddy.
Well said Pat. I find it hilarious that over the years Ive heard many grafanatics go on about how Monica should have been back on tour a month or two after the stabbing because the wound was 'superficial' and that her absence shouldnt be held against Steffi because PHYSICALLY she could have been back on court after a few months..

Then in the next sentence they will make excuse after excuse (Daddy getting caught F_cking strippers and cheating on taxes) to explain away Steffi's mini 'slump', (which just happened to coincide with Monica's dominance at the top).
Pathetic.
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

I agree with the two posters above me. You can't equal a direct physical assault with being harassed by journalists because your father is making a fool of himself. And let's not forget that even before the stabbing Seles had to deal with constant remarks and criticism about her political situation, death and bomb threats and nasty remarks by other players (Ivanisevic, Rios, Tauziat, etc.). She had to deal with these things when she was still a teenager, but she apparently didn't let it affect her game.
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

I do not agree with above three posters to me!!!!!,

Because ,firstly i made this thread for not reducing someone talent.

By contacting many fans of Steffi and Monica,i found very interesting fact that most of fans respect both great players.

They didn't blame Steffi ,when talk about Seles stabbing and We also never blame Seles victories ,when we talking about Steffi's dad problems.


Another question: Scandals and Health problems are big problems indeed and they effects on mind,but here Scandals never spare scandalers (and their families)to feel free.

and above article Steffi didn't talk against abyone,she only talk against Media.She love good reputation and may she thinks that dad scandal popularised day by day with media and feel uncomfortable on or offcourt at the time.

So,Selestials don't misunderstand this thread!
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I do not agree with above three posters to me!!!!!,

Because ,firstly i made this thread for not reducing someone talent.

By contacting many fans of Steffi and Monica,i found very interesting fact that most of fans respect both great players.

They didn't blame Steffi ,when talk about Seles stabbing and We also never blame Seles victories ,when we talking about Steffi's dad problems.


Another question: Scandals and Health problems are big problems indeed and they effects on mind,but here Scandals never spare scandalers (and their families)to feel free.

and above article Steffi didn't talk against abyone,she only talk against Media.She love good reputation and may she thinks that dad scandal popularised day by day with media and feel uncomfortable on or offcourt at the time.

So,Selestials don't misunderstand this thread!
RKM - My comments were not really aimed at you or anything you posted in this thread, I just have had this debate many times over the years and my comments were more from past threads about the same topic.
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Well said Pat. I find it hilarious that over the years Ive heard many grafanatics go on about how Monica should have been back on tour a month or two after the stabbing because the wound was 'superficial' and that her absence shouldnt be held against Steffi because PHYSICALLY she could have been back on court after a few months..

Then in the next sentence they will make excuse after excuse (Daddy getting caught F_cking strippers and cheating on taxes) to explain away Steffi's mini 'slump', (which just happened to coincide with Monica's dominance at the top).
Pathetic.
Well. Seles wasn't responsible of Steffi's mini slump. If you check the h2hs on 90-92 it was the other two S who gave Steffi the most problems. The dynamics was that Seles beated everyone except Graf and Graf was beated by Sabatini and Sanchez and both Sabatini and Sanchez used to be beated by another players.
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Of course, some people are going to tell me that Monica was victim of an aggression, but I repeat it : this attack, no matter how shameful it was for the tennis world, had no big physical incidence. Anyway, Seles isn’t the only one person on earth to have been stabbed :



No offense but your post is a shameful disgrace, and I'm not only talking about the part I'm quoting.
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Well. Seles wasn't responsible of Steffi's mini slump. If you check the h2hs on 90-92 it was the other two S who gave Steffi the most problems. The dynamics was that Seles beated everyone except Graf and Graf was beated by Sabatini and Sanchez and both Sabatini and Sanchez used to be beated by another players.

It was not that simple really. Seles had the clear edge over Graf in Slam finals from 1990-1993, while Graf had the edge in the smaller tourneys I guess. In 1991/1992 Seles lost to Sabatini twice and to Sanchez at least once.

In Slams though (bar Wimbledon), Seles had the edge over pretty much anyone from 1991 on until the ending of her first career.
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