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Old May 4th, 2010, 09:20 PM   #31
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It is obvious that Steffi lost those five times in a row against Gaby not because Gaby was better but because she was fixated on the fact that she was an ugly horse facing a beautiful rose.

Of course, in the end she remembered that horses eat roses.
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Old May 4th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #32
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Old May 5th, 2010, 06:42 AM   #33
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

Of course Steffi overcame pain in the end and she turned into flower power Steffi!
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

could anybody tell me ,when she stated that "i can't fight as usual". May be i think at the end of 90,but at what tournament?
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

Of course the scandal must have been extremely painful for Steffi and her loved ones, but I also think without it Seles would have done damage. I don't read many discussions where the racket (Dunlop MAX 200G) is part of the topic. To play like she did with that racket is amazing, but a player like Seles hit faster and harder (consistently) than any other opponent and it is difficult to react with a ''stiff'' racket like the Dunlop. Being naturally late with a racket like that against power and angles like Seles' takes a lot of effort, on top of being mentally fragile at the time and you have a winner. But Monica (and Gabriela)forced Steffi to rethink her game and remember her strenghts. IMO the racket had just as much to do with the demise as the scandal.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 12:52 PM   #37
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

"Demise" seems a strong word:-) I think all these things - growing up, dad, racquet, Seles contributed to the 90-91 dip. By 92, she was doing better off court, adjusting game, much improved (although not entirely consistent) form in 92, Gundhardt coaching, and rising game for all those reasons. I think it's natural and inevitable in a long career to have ebbs and flows on top form.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 05:42 PM   #39
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

Can we then take into account the stabbing of Monica Seles, the defection of Martina Navratilova and the scolding of Martina by spectators when they knew she was gay etc. etc. Do not you think all these things affected the players.
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Something was up with Graf as early as early 1990, when she looked listless in the Aussie. (the book Hard Courts goes into more details).

The Nicole Meissner thing must have been a shock, but when did she know? Was it when the press broke the story or before?

When did her parents separate?

And tough as all that was to take, to me her father going to jail for tax evasion would have been even tougher. That's me though-heck, by that time one hopes Steffi had on some thick armor to protect her emotionally.

All of these things surely had a negative impact on her tennis and contributed to the "slump" some talk about in the early 90s.

I agree, Rollo and Steffi says something similar in this article http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...2512%2C2959165

It definitely did affect her on court and she's honest enough to admit that here. There's no denying though that Seles was too good most of this time, regardless of off court issues.
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"Demise" seems a strong word:-) I think all these things - growing up, dad, racquet, Seles contributed to the 90-91 dip. By 92, she was doing better off court, adjusting game, much improved (although not entirely consistent) form in 92, Gundhardt coaching, and rising game for all those reasons. I think it's natural and inevitable in a long career to have ebbs and flows on top form.
Yes, demise is an absolutely inappropriate word. Then again it shows you the standards that Graf set (and it mirrors the standards Federer is establishing today.....recall how in 2008 Federer's career was supposedly in the dustbin? And how everyone was predicting he would be overtaken by Nadal, Djoker, and everyone? And today Federer is still #1 and holder of 3 of 4 majors!)

As for Graf back in 1990-1991, yes she had off court issues. But that's part of life.

Interesting too that in 1990, Seles and Graf faced off only 2 times: the German and French finals one month apart. Seles won two close straight set matches. While Seles won many tournaments from 1990-1992, she still had a losing record vs Graf. And while Sabatini had a winning record vs Graf from 1991-1992, Graf still won their most important meetings, and not once did she slip behind Sabatini in the rankings.

Amazing to me that players call Graf's drop to #2 in the rankings a "demise". A player like Sabatini - never higher than #3 - would love to have such a "demise"!
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Interesting too that in 1990, Seles and Graf faced off only 2 times: the German and French finals one month apart. Seles won two close straight set matches. While Seles won many tournaments from 1990-1992, she still had a losing record vs Graf. And while Sabatini had a winning record vs Graf from 1991-1992, Graf still won their most important meetings, and not once did she slip behind Sabatini in the rankings.
Interesting indded. Life and tennis are full of such ironies. Martinez winning Wimbledon rather than the French still gets me. Martina had the same type of thing going on in 1987-she stuggled mightily in regular tour events but beat Steffi at Wimbledon and the US Open-Graf's only loses all year.

Re Sabatini-how right you are. How she would love to trade her wins over Steffi in regular events for a few extra points to grab the Wimbledon plate in 1991!
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Thanks for the link Raquel!

Reading all of that from the horse's mouth (sorry-bad pun!) was enlightening. When she said she never read the newspapers (except at Leipzig) my first thought was I wouldn't have either in her shoes.
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Re: How was Steffi Graf career in early 90s,if she had no dad scandal in 1990 ?

The news was released during German open 1990 and she didn't fight as usual from then. Link:http://www.people.com/people/archive...118319,00.html
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