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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 07:34 AM   #1
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Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 08:36 AM   #2
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

Evolution can explain pretty well how we ended up here without the necessary intervention of an "intelligent being". It's very hard though to gather evidence for or against that no one had intervened at the huge scale of evolutionary history. In this case, absence of evidence isn't strong evidence for evidence of absence, just because of the small probability of us finding something that tells us that an intelligent being intervened. But that's not what creationists/ID contend anyway. They contend that it is not possible for evolution to take account for everything.

The more interesting discussion now is whether any Darwinian ideas apply to the evolution of the universe. After all, theists love to claim that the order of the universe is evidence that it was designed by somebody higher. This is a great essay that touches this issue by GOAT philosopher Daniel Dennett: http://www.investigatingatheism.info...ttchapter.html
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:25 AM   #3
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

can't it be both?

as bible should be readen as a big metaphore the 7 days of God's creation can be seen as all the steps to the evolution of this world. I guess this is the point of every not dumb person who still believes in God like i do.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 10:29 AM   #4
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

Creationism... It's like fantasy sic/fi only with less facts. Do I believe in poorly written fairly tales? No, I do not.
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

Neither
I mean, we were probably left out on Earth by our own species due to some perverted reason.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:45 AM   #6
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

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can't it be both?

as bible should be readen as a big metaphore the 7 days of God's creation can be seen as all the steps to the evolution of this world. I guess this is the point of every not dumb person who still believes in God like i do.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:48 AM   #7
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

I was watching a documentary on cosmology yesterday. It said the scientific model only works when including concepts like dark matter and dark energy. However, there is a lot of uncertainty about what exactly dark matter and dark energy. With all that uncertainty, how can people put their complete faith in science to explain the meaning of life. Who is making up things as they go along? Which side has the fantasy sci/fi?
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

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I mean, we were probably left out on Earth by our own species due to some perverted reason.
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can't it be both?

as bible should be readen as a big metaphore the 7 days of God's creation can be seen as all the steps to the evolution of this world. I guess this is the point of every not dumb person who still believes in God like i do.
No it cant be read as a metaphor. You either take it as meaning what it says in plain language or not at all. In the hebrew, it says day and nothing else. There is no such thing as each day was actually a million years.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 03:49 PM   #10
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

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can't it be both?

as bible should be readen as a big metaphore the 7 days of God's creation can be seen as all the steps to the evolution of this world. I guess this is the point of every not dumb person who still believes in God like i do.
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People who only believe in creationism literally are a shame for Cristianity, even the Pope says it's a big metaphore
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM   #11
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I mean, we were probably left out on Earth by our own species due to some perverted reason.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 03:55 PM   #12
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

I do believe in intelligent design though, I mean, the genetic adaptations that every life form makes to adapt better to their habitat just cannot be explained by random mutations so the better one survives, and transmits their genetic code to his descendants. Mutations are much more complex than 'surviving'.
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Re: Do you subscribe to Creationism or Evolution?

Of course you can think that a day means thousands or millions of years, just like you can think that when I say A I actually mean to say B. In other words, a text can always be true if you want it to be true. All you have to do is to claim that A1 means B1, A2 means B2, etc.

Creationism has been shown to be false a long time ago, so it's a non-issue at this point.

Intelligent design is simply an argument from ignorance. Ie, "My limited brain cannot explain X therefore intelligent design is true". Just because we can't explain in details what happened during millions and millions of years doesn't make ID valid.
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Of course you can think that a day means thousands or millions of years, just like you can think that when I say A I actually mean to say B. In other words, a text can always be true if you want it to be true. All you have to do is to claim that A1 means B1, A2 means B2, etc.

Creationism has been shown to be false a long time ago, so it's a non-issue at this point.

Intelligent design is simply an argument from ignorance. Ie, "My limited brain cannot explain X therefore intelligent design is true". Just because we can't explain in details what happened during millions and millions of years doesn't make ID valid.
It's worse to give an explanation as seedy as Evolutionism. The incorrect stand is stop trying explaining it.
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It's worse to give an explanation as seedy as Evolutionism. The incorrect stand is stop trying explaining it.
No and no.

For a start, you do realize that virtually all intelligent designers proponents accept most of the core ideas of evolution, right?

Look, there's millions and millions of evidence of all kind that are all consistent with evolution. At this point, it cannot be shown to be false. All ID proponents do is throw an intelligent force in the process to make sense of it, but even if that would be true, it doesn't change the millions and millions of evidence all pointing to the fact that evolution is true.
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