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Old Aug 25th, 2009, 06:46 PM   #151
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dat is toch ook vaak een kwestie van de uitspraak in het land zelf? Sharapova wordt in het Nederlands geschreven als Sjarapova... Maar inderdaad, de Elena en Jelena zou verschillend moeten zijn... of wordt Elena gewoon altijd in het Russisch als Jelena uitgesproken?
Maar sommige mensen zeggen het als Elena en sommigen als Yelena/Jelena dus ik heb geen idee. maar Sharapova/Sjarapova is ietsje anders want dat is alleen een verschil tussen hoe mensen die een taal de "letters" zeggen, terwijl ik denk dat mn vraag heeft meer te doen met de vertaling van cyrillics tot "gewone letters".
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Old Aug 25th, 2009, 07:41 PM   #152
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Maar sommige mensen zeggen het als Elena en sommigen als Yelena/Jelena dus ik heb geen idee. maar Sharapova/Sjarapova is ietsje anders want dat is alleen een verschil tussen hoe mensen die een taal de "letters" zeggen, terwijl ik denk dat mn vraag heeft meer te doen met de vertaling van cyrillics tot "gewone letters".
Dat heeft volgens mij ALTIJD te maken met de uitspraak van de klanken die omgezet wordt tot letters in de respectievelijke talen. En omdat Engels de grootste wereldtaal is wordt die schrijfwijze het meest gebruikt
Maar ik heb er geen verstand van Dus laat iemand anders maar antwoorden...
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Dat heeft volgens mij ALTIJD te maken met de uitspraak van de klanken die omgezet wordt tot letters in de respectievelijke talen. En omdat Engels de grootste wereldtaal is wordt die schrijfwijze het meest gebruikt
Maar ik heb er geen verstand van Dus laat iemand anders maar antwoorden...
Ik begrijp je niet.... Maybe I should write it in English.. OK, Russian cyrillics can be translated different ways into English - I don't think it's just to do with how you say the letters, but I could be wrong. But I still think Sjarapova/Sharapova is different than what I am asking about. I mean maybe you also can translate the Russian letters differently, but I have seenall the above variations on English sites, so then it's just he difference translating the cyrillics to English I think. And still the way people say Isinbaeva/Isinbayeva is the same either way in English. Only Elena/Yelena would be slightly different.

TBE used to have Chakvetadze written as Tchakvetadze in his rankings list, and he is Russian, and I know there was once some discussion about that, but that was so long ago that I probably couldn't fnd it. And I'm pretty sure he said something like the cyrillic symbol can be translated as Tch or Ch, either is acceptable, so I'm assuming something similar with the E/Ye.
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Old Aug 25th, 2009, 08:43 PM   #154
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And maybe I can ask you... oh sorry mssn kan ik je vragen...Is het echt Elena Isinbaeva? Want ik zie zo veel verschillende naams van Ik weet dat het moeilijk is om sommige cyrillics te vertalen want Chakvetadze kan ook Tchakvetadze zijn enzo.... Maar tja ik denk dat ze haar naam als Elena Isinbaeva schrijft.... maar ik ben niet zeker.
goede transliteratie - Yelena Isinbayeva (Елена Исинбаева)

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of wordt Elena gewoon altijd in het Russisch als Jelena uitgesproken?
ja, precies, Elena is als [jelena] uitgesproken
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goede transliteratie - Yelena Isinbayeva (Елена Исинбаева)



ja, precies, Elena is als [jelena] uitgesproken
Dan waarom heeft ze altijd Isinbaeva - zonder y - op haar kleding bij een competitie?
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trouwens, Dementieva en Isinba(y)eva hebben dezelfde namen...

Ik ga morgen iets uitleggen

Tot straks, 'k ga naar bed, het is bijna 1.00
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trouwens, Dementieva en Isinba(y)eva hebben dezelfde namen...

Ik ga morgen iets uitleggen

Tot straks, 'k ga naar bed, het is bijna 1.00
Ja, en ik heb een handtekening van haar op haar website gezien, en het lijkt dat ze het als E...... schrijft.
geen probleem - bedankt en welterusten.
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Re: Het Pong Café (voor al degenen die wat Nederlands kunnen) vol II

Er zijn twee manieren van cyrillicsvertaling.

1. Vertaling van de letters

Bij voorbeeld, Eлена Исинбаева wordt als Elena Isinbaeva vertald

2. Vertaling van de klanken (en hier moeten we regels volgen)

dan wordt het als Yelena Isinbayeva vertald

3. Mengsel (jij kiest hoe je jezelf noemt )
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Er zijn twee manieren van cyrillicsvertaling.

1. Vertaling van de letters

Bij voorbeeld, Eлена Исинбаева wordt als Elena Isinbaeva vertald

2. Vertaling van de klanken (en hier moeten we regels volgen)

dan wordt het als Yelena Isinbayeva vertald

3. Mengsel (jij kiest hoe je jezelf noemt )
Dat is dan 3. En ik had het goed....wat ikover had en wat Jan over had waren ook verschillende dingen.

Maar dat helpt me eingelijk niet, want ik weet nog steeds niet wat de goede vertaling is.
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Dan hadden we allebei een beetje gelijk
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Dan hadden we allebei een beetje gelijk
Ja. Maar ik had nooit gezegd dat je verkeerd ben, alleen dat het was iets anders dan wat ik over had.
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Ja. Maar ik had nooit gezegd dat je verkeerd ben, alleen dat het was iets anders dan wat ik over had.
En ik heb ook nooit gezegd dat jij hebt gezegd dat ik ongelijk had.
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En ik heb ook nooit gezegd dat jij hebt gezegd dat ik ongelijk had.
Oke dan.
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Je kan over iets anders ook praten Rientje.
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