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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 04:43 AM   #1
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why do people want cashmere?

i feel like i should go on an anti cashmere crusade!

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edit, i such clarify that i have my little shop where i sell my crochet goods (no granny squares or anything like that) and i dont stock cashmere its insanely expensive and even the best cashmere pills in no time. other fibers are warmer and as soft so i dont get it. but i guess its just the marketing for cashmere that makes people want it.

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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 05:18 AM   #2
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Re: why do people want cashmere?

I buy cashmere everything if it is an option because I like the way it feels. It only comes from a specific variety of goat in Asia and is in high demand, which is why it costs a lot. All of my sweaters are cashmere. No plain, itchy wool for me!
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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 10:42 AM   #3
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Re: why do people want cashmere?

reminds me of civet coffee. only comes from one place in Asia and is in high demand, it costs a lot and is supposed to be very high quality, but for some reason I have absolutely no interest in trying it


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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 03:13 PM   #4
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Re: why do people want cashmere?

Rarity = more desireable and more expensive. It's a sign of status if you can purchase it, just like platinum, gold, diamond etc.
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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 03:30 PM   #5
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I buy cashmere everything if it is an option because I like the way it feels. It only comes from a specific variety of goat in Asia and is in high demand, which is why it costs a lot. All of my sweaters are cashmere. No plain, itchy wool for me!
I know but cashmere is:
Not as soft as alpaca
Not as strong as alpaca
Not as warm or durable as alpaca
4x as expensive as alpaca

Not ANYWHERE near as warm as camel
Not anywhere near as strong or durable as camel
2x as expensive as camel

Additionally most cashmere on the market is not 100% cashmere, I read an article a few weeks ago that said that 80% of products labeled as 100% cashmere have other fibers, usually a lot of wool. They said if you paid less than $200 for a 100% cashmere sweater there is a 19 out 20 chance it's not 100% cashmere.

I will say this, cashmere is lighter than alpaca and softer than camel. Camel is similar to merino wool in softness with merino wool being softer. But for lightness and softness I would rather silk.

I haven't played Yak of buffalo yarn yet, but I hear they are fun. To me and what I prefer having read entirely too much on all this alpaca. It is (for now) relatively cheap, the quality is exceptional and the longevity is better than wool or cashmere, though not as much as camel. But camel gets second place for me, yes it is the warmest and very exclusive chic all that, but is not as soft as others.

I would love though to get a 50/50 camel alpaca blend and see how that feels!
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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #6
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Rarity = more desireable and more expensive. It's a sign of status if you can purchase it, just like platinum, gold, diamond etc.
Yeah cashmere is not rare. Camel hair, yak, buffalo, bison those are rare. Gold is not really rare either. I am starting to think it's all marketing...
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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #7
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Re: why do people want cashmere?

Cuz it gives them an excuse to say 'caa-zhe-MEEER'.
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Old Aug 20th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #8
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reminds me of civet coffee. only comes from one place in Asia and is in high demand, it costs a lot and is supposed to be very high quality, but for some reason I have absolutely no interest in trying it


Wow, that's coffee!!
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Old Aug 21st, 2011, 01:06 AM   #9
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Re: why do people want cashmere?

Good cashmere is very light and very breathable. Therefore, very comfortable to wear.

It’s interesting to note that the finest cashmere comes from Mongolia where the conditions for survival are harsh—winters are long and cold and food is scarce. Raising cashmere goats in more hospitable conditions, ironically, produces a lovely product, but rarely will you find a micron count as low as 14 on a pampered cashmere goat.

Most cashmere averages around 14 microns. Compare that with extra fine merino that usually starts around 19 microns. There are other things that determine a yarn’s soft touch and lofty character, but micron count is a standard way to talk about and compare what we knitters recognize with our palms and fingertips.


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Good cashmere is very light and very breathable. Therefore, very comfortable to wear.

It’s interesting to note that the finest cashmere comes from Mongolia where the conditions for survival are harsh—winters are long and cold and food is scarce. Raising cashmere goats in more hospitable conditions, ironically, produces a lovely product, but rarely will you find a micron count as low as 14 on a pampered cashmere goat.

Most cashmere averages around 14 microns. Compare that with extra fine merino that usually starts around 19 microns. There are other things that determine a yarn’s soft touch and lofty character, but micron count is a standard way to talk about and compare what we knitters recognize with our palms and fingertips.


- http://www.classiceliteyarns.com/Web...s/Cashmere.php
Yes that's what I am saying. GOOD Cashmere is worse than POOR quality alpaca.

Structure of Alpaca Fiber

In physical structure, alpaca fiber is somewhat akin to hair, being very glossy. Alpaca fiber is similar to that of merino wool fiber, and alpaca yarns tend to be stronger than wool yarns. The heel hole that appears in wool socks or in elbows of wool sweaters is nonexistent in similar alpaca garments. In processing, slivers lack fiber cohesion and single alpaca rovings lack strength. Blend these together and the durability is increased several times over. More twisting is necessary, especially in Suri, and this can reduce a yarn's softness.[8]
The alpaca has a very fine and light fleece. It does not retain water, is thermal even when wet and can resist the solar radiation effectively. These characteristics guarantee the animals a permanent and appropriate coat to fight against the extreme changes of temperature.[9] This fiber offers the same protection to humans. Alpacas as animals are soft on the environment, making alpaca a truly green textile.
Alpaca fiber contains also microscopic airbags that make possible the manufacture of light textiles as well as different kinds of clothing. The cells of the central core may contract or disappear, forming air pockets which assist insulation. Fleeces vary from alpaca to alpaca and in some alpacas there may be a higher incidence of medullated fibers, compared to wool and mohair. This can be an objectionable trait. Medullated fibers can take less dye, standing out in the finished garment, and are weaker. The proportion of medullated fibers is higher in the coarser, unwanted guard hairs: there is less or no medullation in the finer, lower micrometre fibers.[10].[11]. These undesirable fibers are easy to see and give a garment a hairy appearance. Quality alpaca products should be free from these medullated fibers.
Quality of Alpaca Fiber

Good quality alpaca fiber is approximately 18 to 25 micrometres in diameter[1]. Whilst breeders report fiber can sell for 2 to 4 dollars per ounce, the world wholesale price for processed pre-spun alpaca “tops” is only between about $10 to $24 US/kg (according to quality), i.e. about $0.28 to $0.68 per oz.[12]. Finer fleeces, ones with a smaller diameter, are preferred, and thus are more expensive. As an alpaca gets older the width of the fibers gets thicker, at between 1 µm and 5 µm per year. This is often caused by over nutrition; if fed too much nutritious food the animal doesn't get fat, instead the fiber gets thicker.[citation needed]
As with all fleece-producing animals, quality varies from animal to animal, and some alpacas produce fiber which is less than ideal. Fiber and conformation are the two most important factors in determining an alpaca's value.
Alpacas come in many shades from a true-blue black through browns-black, browns, fawns, white, silver-greys, and rose-greys.[1] However, white is predominant,[1] because of selective breeding: the white fiber can be dyed in the largest ranges of colors. In South America, the preference is for white as they generally have better fleece than the darker-colored animals. This is because the dark colors had been all but bred out of the animals. The demand for darker fiber sprung up in the United States and elsewhere, however in order to reintroduce the colors, the quality of the darker fiber has decreased slightly. Breeders have been diligently working on breeding dark animals with exceptional fiber, and much progress has been made in these areas over the last 5–7 years.[citation needed]

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I mean let's be real the best cashmere is not as good as the worst useable alpaca.
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Old Aug 22nd, 2011, 04:30 PM   #12
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speaking of yarn, my daughter and the dog unraveled, played with my most expensive yarn! It's now strewn all over the floor.
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It's softer than Charmin imo.

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I love Cashmere. I reckon it's all marketing. No one is going around telling everyone how amazing and soft alpaca is so I guess this is just another example of how marketing has snatched up my money.
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