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Old Jun 26th, 2014, 03:24 AM   #256
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Re: Grand Slam debutantes since the 2005 US Open

Smitkova doing great so far in her debut
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Old Jul 31st, 2014, 11:59 AM   #257
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Very interesting to see that no one who had debuted through a WC has managed to win a slam, EVER. Radwanska's been a runner-up and Pavlyuschenkova/Oudin have been quaterfinalists, the rest (~60 players!) have stuck somewhere between R1-R4.

And what it says? Focus on the last names/origins of these debs. Most of them come from English-speaking countries (China's being represented more and more too despite the level of their tennis) and I doubt there's significantly more registered players than elsewhere.
In other words, it seems that WCs are there to help players from financially interesting markets, not good prospects as one would expect. If this hypothesis isn't right/is falsified, we can still say that the WC holders are not so good prospects after all. I smell something rotten.
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Old Aug 1st, 2014, 02:19 PM   #258
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Very interesting to see that no one who had debuted through a WC hasn't managed to win a slam, EVER. Radwanska's been a runner-up and Pavlyuschenkova/Oudin have been quaterfinalists, the rest (~60 players!) have stuck somewhere between R1-R4.

And what it says? Focus on the last names/origins of these debs. Most of them come from English-speaking countries (China's being represented more and more too despite the level of their tennis) and I doubt there's significantly more registered players than elsewhere.
In other words, it seems that WCs are there to help players from financially interesting markets, not good prospects as one would expect. If this hypothesis isn't right/is falsified, we can still say that the WC holders are not so good prospects after all. I smell something rotten.
I get your point, the system may seem unfair. I think AO, FO and USO should at least cancel the reciprocal WCs and award it to junior prospects coached by the ITF team or junior top 10 players, the 16 best ranked players outside the MD could also play a WC play off one week before the QD starts in order to get a direct entrance.

Btw (even if the stats start at USO 2005), 2 players have won a GS in recent history after a WC debut : Marion Bartoli (FO 2001) and Samantha Stosur (AO 2002).
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Old Aug 1st, 2014, 04:39 PM   #259
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Thanks for the great work. I think Flipkens need to be updated as she has reached CH Ranking of 13 and a SF in Wimbledon meanwhile:
Old - Flipkens (2R, #20, 4R) - LL
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Old Aug 1st, 2014, 04:41 PM   #260
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Re: Grand Slam debutantes since the 2005 US Open

Also Petkovic now with a SF

Old - Petkovic (2R, #9, QF)
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I get your point, the system may seem unfair. I think AO, FO and USO should at least cancel the reciprocal WCs and award it to junior prospects coached by the ITF team or junior top 10 players, the 16 best ranked players outside the MD could also play a WC play off one week before the QD starts in order to get a direct entrance.

Btw (even if the stats start at USO 2005), 2 players have won a GS in recent history after a WC debut : Marion Bartoli (FO 2001) and Samantha Stosur (AO 2002).
But then again, associations are meant to look out for their countries interests. Also, some juniors really don't do that well after being given umpteen WCs and easy tournaments. (Lertcheewakarn )
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Re: Grand Slam debutantes since the 2005 US Open

USO 2014 debutantes via MDWC:

Danielle Collins
Catherine Cartan Bellis

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Thanks for the great work. I think Flipkens need to be updated as she has reached CH Ranking of 13 and a SF in Wimbledon meanwhile:
Old - Flipkens (2R, #20, 4R) - LL
New - Flipkens (2R, #13, SF) - LL
CHR and career best performance at Slams of many players are in need of a general update. I may do one in a week or so, or alternatively wait for the end of the USO.
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Old Aug 12th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #263
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Btw (even if the stats start at USO 2005), 2 players have won a GS in recent history after a WC debut : Marion Bartoli (FO 2001) and Samantha Stosur (AO 2002).
Still, it took Bartoli and Stosur 11 and 9 years, respectively, to win a slam. Other than that, both of them have had pretty mediocre results in majors. Sharapova is afaik the only exception with 5 major titles (2003 WC).

'Success rate' is thus 0 % since 2004 (and ~ 3/60 = 5 % for reaching at least SF, whenever in WC holders' careers and most likely since 2004 as well). That's shamelessly weak.
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US OPEN 2014 DEBUTANTES
Danielle Collins
Catherine Carten Bellis
Ons Jabeur
Saisai Zheng
Aliaksandra Sasnovich
Francoise Abanda
Qiang Wang
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