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Old Oct 12th, 2007, 08:17 PM   #1
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Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

Ok Rena fans. I love you all. Y'all are the most devoted, crazy, schizophrenic, optimistic,gangsta,rude and obnoxious (proudly!) people i've ever met. And i love you all. But it's time to have THAT conversation.

In light of Serena's quaterfinals run (and i hate saying that as much as you hate reading it) it's time to ask....seriously....can Serena ever beat Justine again.

I have to say i'm concerned. I mean she's losing to freakin Kuzzie for crying out loud. I love Kuzzie but she is not worthy.

Let's face it...Justine(who i love also ...don't ask ...just let it go.... i love her) kinda has more game than Serena overall. My laptop just vibrated a little when i typed those words but i stand by them. Justine can do more on a tennis court than Serena. She's got more shots, more options, better mover, hear that people....she's FASTER than Serena on the court....again with the blasphemy but it's true....she will NEVER serve like Rena can but her return is almost there...i remember reading about how she practices TECHNIQUE....she practices how to hit groundies at this point in her career....that should tell you something. At this point if they play again i will have to give Justine the edge.

The question is this. Serena is still the best player of her generation. Based on results she is...no question...but for how much longer?

All you Serena fans..can you look me in the Avatar seriously and say with confidence that she will beat Justine next time they meet and however many times they meet after that? I'm almost more confident in Venus' chances at this point.

Maybe i'm being pessimistic but i assure you that i'm not. I just want Serena to take the crown soooooo bad but at the same time i will not cop out. We (Rena fans) HAVE to recognise the player that Justine is. There's no denying it. So there...serious replies only. You can call me out if you want to...just justify it with sound reasoning is all i ask.
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Old Oct 12th, 2007, 08:32 PM   #2
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

This is the Serena forum there are plenty of threads like this in GM?

However first of all Kuzzy is the no.2 in the world right now and don't forget she played really well against Serena in Stuttgart.

Secondly it is your opinion that Justine has more 'game' than Serena. She has more variety for sure but if Serena plays more and get's into even better shape there is no reason why she can't beat her consistently. She has the best serve and return in the game, super-powerful groundstrokes and great movement. Also it has always been my opinion that peak Serena is indeed unbeatable by anyone, ever.

So no she may not beat Justine next time they play but she is getting fitter and with that she can beat Justine again.
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Old Oct 12th, 2007, 09:49 PM   #3
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

What's so bad about losing to Kuzzy? She did beat Justine earlier this year. Serena's shown a consistency this year that she hasn't shown on tour for a long time. Losing three times to Justine isn't the best thing in the world, but right now Justine is on top of her game and more confident than ever. I don't think it's time to panic, all in all, this has been a great year for Serena. And it's likely she'll end the year in the top 5, let's not forgot where she started earlier this year.

Let the chips fall where they may, we can't be obsessed with keeping Serena ahead of Justine. For Serena it's important for her to play and stay healthy. If she can do that, everything else will fall into place- she's a great and the greats know how to get the job done. Keep the faith- or not, doesn't really matter cuz I'm a ride or die fan and I know we still got lots of 'highs' comin' our way, but be prepared for the occassional bad loses, they're par for the course.
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Old Oct 12th, 2007, 10:52 PM   #4
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

SERIOUSLY NOW!

This isn't about Justine. She just happens to be the best player in the world at the moment, as far as I'm concerned. It's about Serena and her game. She has to look to herself to sort out her own problems, and she has to look into her heart, to see what she really wants. I believe she is doing both these things at the moment, and I'm proud of her. She will do her best. Also, she doesn't need to worry about Justine, she needs to worry Kuzzy. Justine's time will come.
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Old Oct 12th, 2007, 11:53 PM   #5
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

Serena was here before, and she'll be here after Juju. Before this latest obstacle there were the greats who are either in the HOF or will be, and then there were the Jennifers, the Lindsays and Maria for example. Justine is just another in a long Serena Williams journey. Nothing special - just a footnote. It's a trip how Justine's fan constantly need to measure her up to Serena. Too cute.

And frankly I don't have to recognize a damn thing about Justine except that she topped Serena in 2007 head to head. She's the #1 ranked player for a reason. I can look you right in the avatar as you say and still feel, still claim Serena is a better player, hell person, and every match I always have confidence in Serena beating any player, that includes juju. It's how it's always been and always will be for me as a Serena fan until she retires.

Svetlana is a slam winner - she knows what it takes to win and on any given day, any player can win. It happened that with a player of her talent, it came together. There is nothing Serena has to feel bad about losing to Svetlana except that she lost. Serena has to take all her loses and even her wins and dissect them so she can see where she needs to improve, and what she did right. She's coming on up in her rankings and that will help her out especially at the beginning of the year so she won't have to struggle and fight so early on in major tournaments. She knows she's better than her ranking, we know it, the media, etc. It's simply time for her to do it.
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

Serena will be fine... This may be juju's time right now, but Serena has found that drive again. I think that Juju QF loses and the loss to Kuzy in Stuggart are good for Serena. It hasn't been easy and its not getting any easier and I deep down, I don't think Serena would have it any other way.

As far as variety, I think this is and will always be an area where Serena is/will be underrated. Ree's got "all" the shots but quite honestly, she rarely has to use them. That's why I think that Justine presents a welcome and interesting challenge right now. (See Miami final) Serena will figure her out, as she did all my other faves and I see (injuries for either aside) a great rivalary forming.
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Old Oct 13th, 2007, 02:44 AM   #7
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

pessimist much this is the Serena Williams forum....only positive things plz....if you want to spew negatives and say how she can't beat a player and shouldn't be losing to THE #2 PLAYER IN THE WORLD.....then go to GM I'm gonna bad rep you for just coming in here with that....this isn't GM, just to reiterate....and talking about Serena lacks variety....though she may not use it look back to some of her matches especially as recently as Miami if you wanna see variety...she may not use it all the time cause you know what...she doesn't need it....if YOU can't handle that then that is YOUR problem not ours... good day
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

Am I confident that Serena can defeat Justine? No doubts. That's all i have to say about that
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

I don't fear any player that Serena faces. It's not to say that the player across the net isn't good, but I believe in Serena so much and many of us do too.
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

I do think Serena will beat Justine many more times before one of them retires, but I also believe Justine will beat Serena some to
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

thierry, You have the option to delete your own thread.
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

why delete the thread, its given us an opportunity to talk about things, personally I think that Serena fans spam GM too much when the threads should be posted here first....

With such an exciting on and off court player as Serena its a shame that it is so quiet in here.
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why delete the thread, its given us an opportunity to talk about things, personally I think that Serena fans spam GM too much when the threads should be posted here first....

With such an exciting on and off court player as Serena its a shame that it is so quiet in here.

I do agree especially w/some of the repeat offenders, but not seeing the connection w/the thread topic.
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not at all this could count as spam
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Re: Moment of Truth...well Post of Truth anyway..

I have to admit that I am relatively new to this part of wtaworld, so I don't know if the poster is a spammer or not. I would just say that if he is you know expose him, it doesn't mean that this thread can't turn into something positive, as 99.9999% of the posts in here are. Thierry spoke his piece and the rest of us said our piece backing up Serena and our faith in her abilities. I guess that's what I mean.
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