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Old Jan 18th, 2012, 08:29 PM   #616
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Tennis-point Hamburg ITF, GER, G4

R2
(10) Julie Noe (DEN) def. Karolina Kowall (GER) 0-6 6-4 6-0
(11) Chiara Volejnicek (SUI) def. Ulrikke Høyer (DEN) 6-4 6-3
(6) Martine Ditlev (DEN) def. Katharina Hobgarski (GER) 7-6(6) 6-2

Julie's scoreline
Well done girls and GL in R3, Julie & Martine! For some strange reason Julie/Ulrikke won't play doubles in Hamburg. Martine does (with a dutch girl) but has a 1st round bye.

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Old Jan 19th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #617
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Tennis-point Hamburg ITF, GER, G4

R3
(8) Nikki Luttikhuis (NED) d. (10) Julie Noe (DEN) 6-1 6-3
Anastasia Nefedova (RUS) d. (6) Martine Ditlev (DEN) 6-1 6-3

R2, doubles
(3) Martine Ditlev (DEN)/Erika Vogelsang (NED) d. Mathilde Devits (BEL)/Monika Van de Vondel (BEL) 6-2 6-2

I had perhaps expected a bit more. Good luck in doubles, Martine
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Tennis-point Hamburg ITF, GER, G4

QF, doubles

(3) Martine Ditlev (DEN)/Erika Vogelsang (NED) d. (5)Daria Lodikova (RUS)/Anastasia Nefedova (RUS) 4-6 6-3 [10-6]

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Sorry for not writing in English this time, but it's too complicated.

For kun tre uger siden tog vi hul på et nyt kalenderår og en ny sæson, og jeg vil derfor gøre en slags længere status over dansk pige (elite) tennis ud fra ranglisteplaceringerne. Jeg vil lægge ud med at kigge lidt på ITF's rangliste og de danske pigers placering.

ITF Rankings (16 Jan 2012) - Danish players

Code:
Name                   Rank       Points

Cecilie Melsted         221        170
Martine Ditlev          384        112.5
Julie Noe               398        107.5
Anna Signe Rasmussen    550         78.75
Ulrikke Høyer           628         65
Emilie Francati         738         50
Simone Alipieva         955         30
Isabel Fenger           989         27.5
Malene Stripp          1159         17.5
Emilie Elsvad          1477         10
Frederikke Karst       1920          1.25
Man må sige, at det går fint fremad for de danske piger. Der er nu hele 8 piger i top 1000! Det er en ganske stor fremgang i forhold til de seneste år. Ved udgangen af 2010 - altså for kun godt et år siden - var der kun 2 danske piger i top 1000 (Grage #70 og Melsted #383). Ved udgangen af 2009 var der også 2 piger i top 1000 (igen Grage og Melsted), mens der ved udgangen af 2008 var 4 piger (Ejdesgaard, Barbat, Grage og Emma Henriksen). For fire år sieden, i 2007 (pr. 17 december), var Barbat og Ejdesgaard de eneste danske piger i top 1000.

Men nu er der pludselig 8 danske juniorpiger i top 1000, og det bør vi være glade for. Godt gået, piger! Niveauet hos de danske juniorpiger er generelt højnet betragteligt, og bredden er blevet markant større. Det kan også ses i de hjemlige turneringer, hvor konkurrencen er blevet hårdere. For bare to år siden var Mai Grage i særklasse i U18 klassen, Melsted i U16, Ditlev i U14 og Alipieva i U12. Men 2011 har på mange måder været et skelsættende år, og nu kan alle på en god dag slå alle på tværs af aldersskel og fordums styrke. I 2011 har Melsted slået Grage mens Francati og Ditlev har besejret Melsted. Julie Noe har vundet over både Francati og Ditlev, mens Emma Rønholt har besejret både Alipieva, Francati og Julie Noe!



Specielt Emma Rønholt (billedet) er gået voldsomt frem i anden halvdel af 2011. Hun har spillet nogle rigtig gode seniorkampe for sit klubhold Gentofte, og hun har tilmed vundet et par fine seniorturneringer i November og December - i begge tilfælde ved at besejre Simone Alipieva i finalen. Og Rønholt er kun 14 år (faktisk er der mindre end en måneds aldersforskel på Rønholt og Alipieva). Jeg ville ikke blive overrasket, hvis Emma Rønholt i løbet af 2012 også kommer ind på ITF's rangliste. Hun får brug for wild card for at komme ind, men det vil hun sikkert få til nogle af de 4 danske ITF turneringer i løbet af året.

Unge elitespillere
Det er også et godt tegn, at de danske piger på ITF-ranglisten er forholdsvis unge. Alipieva og Francati er begge 14 år, og har henholdsvis 5 og 4 sæsoner tilbage som ITF-juniorer. Martine Ditlev, Julie Noe og Ulrikke Høyer har tre sæsoner tilbage. Til sammenligning har Sverige 18 piger i top 1000, men med en klar overvægt af de forholdsvis ældre spillere. 8 af disse er født 1994 og dermed i gang med deres sidste juniorsæson, mens 6 er født 1995. Det vil altså sige, at 14 af de 18 svenske top 1000-spillere er i gang med deres sidste eller næstsidste juniorsæson.

Manglende topresultater
Man kan måske indvende, at de danske spillere ikke har formået at hive helt så mange turneringssejre hjem, som man kunne ønske - og slet ikke på det allerhøjeste niveau. Simone Alipieva har selvfølgelig fået en række flotte TE U14 sejre og en enkelt U16 sejr, men det har dog været i kategori 3. På ITF niveau er det knebet noget mere, og her er Julie Noe fortsat den eneste danske junior med en turneringssejr i single siden Mai Grage i 2009.

Antal ITF finaler 2011 m danske juniorpiger:

Code:
                          Single            double
Cecilie Melsted            1 (tabt)          2 (tabt)
Julie Noe                  1 (vundet)        2 (én vundet)
Martine Ditlev             1 (tabt)          1 (tabt)
Emilie Francati            1 (tabt)          0
Ulrikke Høyer              0                 3 (én vundet)
Anna Signe Rasmussen       0                 1 (tabt)
Mange af juniorerne er først i 2011 for alvor begyndt at spille på ITF-niveau, og da de er så unge og har så mange år foran sig, skal resultaterne nok komme.

Ranglister
Nu har jeg snakket meget om ranglistepoint eller ranglisteplacering i dette indlæg (og i mange tidligere indlæg i tråden). Ranglister er helt sikkert det bedste redskab, når man skal vurdere forskellige spilleres styrke i forhold til hinanden, men jeg vil samtidig også advare mod at lægge alt for megen vægt på ranglister. Det vigtigste er altid at udvikle spillernes færdigheder (teknik, taktik, fysik, mentalitet osv.) og blive med at udvikle disse! Så skal fremgangene nok komme! Der er desværre mange eksempler - også i dansk tennis - på piger, som har toppet ranglisterne i deres juniorklasser, men som aldrig har drevet det særlig vidt. Det er der mange forklaringer på (skole, uddannelse, kærester, familie, dårlig træning, manglende motivation, dårlig fastholdelse i klubberne, osv.), men den debat vil jeg lade ligge i denne omgang.

Middelmådig junior, men succes som senior
Omvendt er der også mange eksempler på piger, som har været middelmådige i deres juniorklasser, men som har fortsat udviklingen op gennem juniorårene og er blevet fantastiske spillere. Netop i disse dage er der i øvrigt oprettet en tråd her på tennisforum om gode profspillere, som var dårlige juniorspillere. Man kan fx nævne Petra Kvitova, som var #27 blandt juniorene som bedst, men som alligevel er en meget sandsynlig WTA nummer 1! Til sammenligning har de skandinaviske spillere Ulrikke Eikeri (NOR) og Ellen Allgurin (SWE) begge haft bedre juniorplaceringer end Kvitova (hhv. #16 og #26)! Og Mai Grage har været #30 - altså nogenlunde samme placering som Kvitova! Det skal dog siges, at Kvitova måske ikke forfulgte juniorkarrieren til den bitre ende, da hun allerede som 16-årig begyndte at spille pro tennis, men det samme kan siges om Caroline, som alligevel formåede at blive #2 hos juniorerne. Kvitova er altså et eksempel på, at selv om man ikke nåede helt til tops hos juniorerne, så kan man alligevel bringe det langt som seniorspiller. Selvfølgelig var Kvitova ikke middelmådig som junior, det er nok at tage munden for fuld, men hun hørte heller ikke til den absolutte elite.

Et endnu bedre eksempel, som også med danske øjne er ganske interessant, er tyske Mona Barthel. Hun har jo spillet klubtennis for Århus 1900 siden 2009 (ikke så meget i 2011 pga. hendes tiltagende succes på WTA touren, men et par kampe er det dog blevet til i indendørssæsonen). Mona Barthel har været en habil spiller efter danske forhold, men er alligevel blevet slået i klubkampe af både Hanne Skak Jensen og Mai Grage. Som juniorspiller havde Mona Barthel ikke voldsomt stor succes, og hun blev aldrig rangeret højere end 212. Men Barthel, som fylder 22 til sommer, er blevet ved med at udvikle sig, og hun kommer efter Australian Open til at ligge omkring nr. 42 på WTA's rangliste! Hun er et fremragende eksempel på, at man kan drive karrieren langt videre, end juniorårene umiddelbart lægger op til.

Vi snakkede lidt om Malene Stripp for et par indlæg siden. Da hun sluttede sit første år som U14-spiller, var hun blot rangeret som nr. 60 blandt U14-spillerne i Danmark, og da hun sluttede sin anden sæson som U14-spiller, var hun stadig blot nr. 32. Cecilie Melsted, som var førsteårsspiller i U14-klassen, var allerede på dette tidspunkt #2 (og #20 på seniorranglisten)! Stripp var altså ganske langt fra elite-niveau, og ikke engang i top-200 på seniorranglisten (U14-spillere på eliteniveau i Danmark vil normalt være gode nok til at komme i top 20 på seniorranglisten, som i 2011, hvor de tre U14-spillere Francati, Rønholt og Alipieva sluttede som hhv. #11, 12 & 14). Men Malene Stripp har på forunderlig vis formået at fortsætte en forholdsvis markant fremgang gennem en årrække, og hun er i dag rangeret som nr. 8 på den danske seniorrangliste (som selvfølgelig toppes af Wozniacki). Og det er noget af en bedrift, når man tænker på Stripps beskedne udgangspunkt!

Konklusion
Jeg vil utvivlsomt fortabe mig i ranglistediskussioner igen og igen i løbet af denne tråd, men jeg må alligevel minde om, at ranglistepoints ikke betyder alverden. Det vigtigste er ikke, hvor mange point man har på et givent tidspunkt, men hvordan man på længere sigt udvikler sig som spiller! Og lad det være en opfordring til alle de danske juniorer - også drengene, som for øvrigt gør det mindst lige så godt som pigerne for tiden.

I det hele taget synes jeg, det tegner lyst for dansk juniortennis med flere elitespillere og større bredde, end vi har set de seneste 3-4 år. Held og lykke med den nye sæson, som jeg håber bliver mindst lige så god som 2011

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Old Jan 22nd, 2012, 11:43 AM   #620
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Tak for gennemgangen af året der gik. Den svada må have taget et godt stykke tid! Og forståeligt nok, ikke på engelsk.





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Les Petits As - arguably the world's toughest 14&U indoor tournament - starts tomorrow in Tarbes. Main draws: te.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draws.as…



The link above doesn't work, so here is a direct one: http://te.tournamentsoftware.com/spo...C3BF43D&draw=3

Court 8 on monday for Alipieva.
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A big test for Simone. Good luck!

A few updates:

Martine Ditlev and her dutch partner lost the doubles semi in Hamburg 0-6 2-6. Martine gains a few points but nothing significant. Julie Noe will goe past Martine in the rankings this week.

Emma Rønholt won the U16 Sealand Championships yesterday (Sjællandske mesterskaber) in a very convincing manner (Francati was missing but otherwise it was a pretty good entry list):

1R (1) Emma Rønholt def. Caroline Leth Staalkjær 6-0 6-0
2R (1) Emma Rønholt def. Signe Larsson 6-1 6-0
QF (1) Emma Rønholt def. (7) Emma Tranberg 6-0 6-1
SF (1) Emma Rønholt def. (4) Frederikke Svarre 6-0 6-3
F (1) Emma Rønholt def. (2) Kathrine Berge 6-4 6-1

Ida Emilie Krause won the U14 but the draw was not quite as tough (Steenberg and Alipieva were missing, and the #2 seed Bjerringgaard gave a walkover in the semi).

Emilie Francati is playing an ITF in Oman this week. Emilie was listed as withdrawn on the entry list a week ago, but she seems to be in the main draw again. GL!
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Re: The Danes are coming - Danish juniors thread

One comment regarding late movers: It is true that there are a few WTA top-100 women who did not perform that well as juniors but all statistic shows that if you want to play Grand Slams as a senior you better make sure to be good enough for the junior events first. Kvitota played relatively few junior matches as you also mention but she still managed to win three very strong tournaments in a row including Roehampton which was (and still is) the only real warm-up tournament for Wimbledon and therefore also considered just a strong as Wimbledon. Had Kvitova continued her junior time into 2008 she would easily have been top-10 but she (apparently wisely) decided to switch to senior tournaments.

Without playing down the good results of Mai Grage she gained her ITF-30 position based on winning a weak G1 in Morocco, excellent double results and strong performance in lower tier tournaments. When she faced the best juniors in her last year under 18 (where she also played huge amount of tournaments) she struggled by winning just 2 out of 6 Grand Slam singles and generally losing a lot of matches that year. Conclusion: A specific position on the ITF does not tell the full story as the activity has a lot to say. However, Mai Grage was the greatest talent in Danish tennis since CW and she had almost everything needed to make it to top-100. Unfortunately I guess she did not have the toughness for the demanding life on the tour so she decided to throw in the towel before even giving it a decent chance. Very disappointing for many of us who are following Danish tennis players.

Otherwise I like your analysis and I agree that it is positive to see so many girls trying to improve themselves internationally. I still lack some better results (and some of them cracking the top-100 ranking) but I guess the basis for that is to get as many playing as possible So good luck to everyone in 2012.
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A long way to travel to lose in 1R.

Strange selection of tournament as she apparently has withdrawn from next week two tournaments in the same region on 10JAN (i.e. before playing the first match this week).
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I basically agree with your remarks. I tend to talk a lot about rankings, and I know that the junior players are very concerned about their own rankings, but your Grage/Kvitova comparison actually underlines exactly what I'm trying to say: The rankings rarely tells the whole truth, and the rankings of different players are not always comparable. Some players play a lot, others only a few tournaments. And some girls only play higher tiers, but perform badly, while others only play lower tiers and perform quite well.

A good ranking is nice because it allows the players to enter certain tournaments, but otherwise I think the players should be much more concerned about their development in the long run.
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A long way to travel to lose in 1R.

Strange selection of tournament as she apparently has withdrawn from next week tournaments in the same region on 10JAN (i.e. before playing the first match this week).
Yes. Seems strange, but I don't know the reasoning behind it.

Diana Kutuzova (RUS) def. Emilie Francati 6-3 6-2

Simone won on the other hand

Les Petits As, Tarbes, France, U14, Cat. 1

1R
(10) Simone Alipieva d. Marija Curnic (CRO) 7-5 6-3

It's going to be a tough tournament. I think the entire TE top 10 except one girl is present - plus some good Americans (some very good unseeded)! No easy matches. Well done!
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Les Petits As, Tarbes, France, U14, Cat. 1

2R
Emmanuelle Salas (FRA) d. (10) Simone Alipieva 6-2 6-1

Simone and Emilie Håkansson lost 1R doubles 6-0 6-4. Some busy weeks coming up for Simone early February: Tennis Europe Winter Classics (European Team Championships), and the ITF in Copenhagen. GL!
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2R Emmanuelle Salas (FRA) d. (10) Simone Alipieva 6-2 6-1
Maybe Simone's TE ranking as #11 is a bit on the high side (winning a weak G3 U16 tournament in Sweden is just giving way too many points for the U14 ranking) but she is still the best U14 girl that we have had in many years. I can not recall many Danish main draw wins in Bolton and Les Petits since Caroline Wozniacki was U14 around 9 years ago. It will be interesting to follow Simone during the coming years to see if she can improve.
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Re: The Danes are coming - Danish juniors thread

I won't be too critical about Simone. Simone has won a lot of TE tournaments, and winning titles inevitably leads to a very high ranking. And winning titles is no easy task. There are always 32 or 64 girls who wants to win the titles, but only one girl will succeed. Simone has been quite successful in that department! I agree that the U16 win earned her a lot of points, but such a tournament would normally be won by a 15 or 16 year old girl - not a 13 year old.

However, I don't think Simone is quite among the top 10 or 20 Europeans at the moment. She lost 4 times to Emilie Francati or Emma Rønholt in 2011 - always in quite important matches (finals or semifinals) - and she won only one match against them. We'd certainly expect a top 10 European player to have a better W/L record than 1-4 against Danish 14 year olds! Maybe Simone lacks some consitency at the moment (she beat Emmanuelle Salas quite comfortably in two sets in Bolton, for instance, but lost to the same girl at Les petits As).

On a positive note I think the competetiveness has increased considerably in Denmark the past year or so, and Emilie, Emma, and Simone may all benefit from this in the future...
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