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ptkten · Dec 21st, 2006, 02:07 PM

Ryan made a great post in the thread abou Venus' withdrawal from Hopman Cup and I felt it deserved a new one; would everyone please stop criticizing her because we know that Larry Scott forces the players to enter the events. Venus HAS to enter, and then she's FORCED to withdraw because she can't play with her injury. I don't get the double standard, everyone praises Davenport for calling out the system, and then jumps all over Venus just because she is being forced to do something. I'm sure Venus wouldn't be entering all of these events if they didn't make her do it.

tenn_ace · Dec 21st, 2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ptkten

Ryan made a great post in the thread abou Venus' withdrawal from Hopman Cup and I felt it deserved a new one; would everyone please stop criticizing her because we know that Larry Scott forces the players to enter the events. Venus HAS to enter, and then she's FORCED to withdraw because she can't play with her injury. I don't get the double standard, everyone praises Davenport for calling out the system, and then jumps all over Venus just because she is being forced to do something. I'm sure Venus wouldn't be entering all of these events if they didn't make her do it.

To be fair Larry Scott has nothing to do with Hopman Cup.

TonyP · Dec 21st, 2006, 03:42 PM

Hopman Cup is not a WTA event. So it is doubtful he made Venus enter it, when there are other WTA events going on at the very same time.

Whether or not the WTA is making players enter regular tour events, even when they are not fit and have no intention of playing, I don't know. But the idea that some people think that is proof the WTA is developing an image problem of its own.

What I think many people DO believe these days is that the WTA and the tournments delay announcement of withdrawals, sometimes until the last minute, hoping to sell more tickets in what amounts to a bait and switch scheme.

I think the Willies have just been the most visible players involved in frequent withdrawals, although there are others who have quit tournaments under what may be questionable circumstances.

I think Venus and Serena have actually reached the stage where people are now surprised when they do turn up and play.

Venus played just 18 matches this year, winning 12 of them, but taking no titles and, to my knowledge, not even getting to a final.

Denise4925 · Dec 21st, 2006, 04:17 PM

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Venus played just 18 matches this year, winning 12 of them, but taking no titles and, to my knowledge, not even getting to a final.

So what?!

cartmancop · Dec 21st, 2006, 04:31 PM

I agree that tournaments are very likely delaying the announcements of player withdrawals for their own profit and are letting players like Venus, etc. take the blame for late withdrawal...

I would rather her withdraw late and not play than try to make us happy and injure herself further, the good thing is that she has no points to defend from the beginning of the year really, or the rest of the year for that matter...

Drake1980 · Dec 21st, 2006, 04:35 PM

OMG! She pulled out? Who is her replacement?

Black Mamba. · Dec 21st, 2006, 04:40 PM

I'm a huge Vee fan but the criticism for pulling out is warranted.

cartmancop · Dec 21st, 2006, 04:40 PM

Harkleroad

Diesel · Dec 21st, 2006, 05:36 PM

I find the criticism by those who dislike Venus amusing and far from genuine.

luna_moonstone · Dec 21st, 2006, 05:54 PM

The criticism largely comes from people who are not fans of Venus, and in many cases from people who have openly disliked her for a number of years. Some replies to this thread are by people like that for example. You could bring up a billion different reasons about why it isn't a big deal, but it won't matter to them. Notice that Venus is not the first person to withdraw from this years HC, but she will be the most criticised for it. That's because WTA World has always been very polarized when it comes to the Williams Sisters. What other players are allowed to get away with, the top players and the sisters in particular cannot on this site. I find it futile to to try and change peoples minds because they won't change them. I prefer to laugh at their hypocrisy.

Diesel · Dec 21st, 2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by luna_moonstone

The criticism largely comes from people who are not fans of Venus, and in many cases from people who have openly disliked her for a number of years. Some replies to this thread are by people like that for example. You could bring up a billion different reasons about why it isn't a big deal, but it won't matter to them. Notice that Venus is not the first person to withdraw from this years HC, but she will be the most criticised for it. That's because WTA World has always been very polarized when it comes to the Williams Sisters. What other players are allowed to get away with, the top players and the sisters in particular cannot on this site. I find it futile to to try and change peoples minds because they won't change them. I prefer to laugh at their hypocrisy.

Hurley · Dec 21st, 2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ptkten

Ryan made a great post in the thread abou Venus' withdrawal from Hopman Cup and I felt it deserved a new one; would everyone please stop criticizing her because we know that Larry Scott forces the players to enter the events. Venus HAS to enter, and then she's FORCED to withdraw because she can't play with her injury. I don't get the double standard, everyone praises Davenport for calling out the system, and then jumps all over Venus just because she is being forced to do something. I'm sure Venus wouldn't be entering all of these events if they didn't make her do it.

Wow. Dumb.

Hopman Cup is a NON-WTA exhibition so nothing in this post makes a lick of sense.

flyguydsl · Dec 21st, 2006, 09:11 PM

I LOVE Venus Williams and this is just a sign of another dissappointing season ahead for me.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

The second part to this story is usually a picture of her at some party in South Beach carrying on with some $%^ like Flava Flav

Mattographer · Dec 21st, 2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ptkten

Ryan made a great post in the thread abou Venus' withdrawal from Hopman Cup and I felt it deserved a new one; would everyone please stop criticizing her because we know that Larry Scott forces the players to enter the events. Venus HAS to enter, and then she's FORCED to withdraw because she can't play with her injury. I don't get the double standard, everyone praises Davenport for calling out the system, and then jumps all over Venus just because she is being forced to do something. I'm sure Venus wouldn't be entering all of these events if they didn't make her do it.

Just another pointless thread!

Larry Scott have nothing to do with Hopman Cup as it's an ITF event!

TonyP · Dec 21st, 2006, 11:11 PM

I think a lot of people were prompted to comment here because of the claim that Larry Scott "forced" Venus to enter the Hopman Cup. How could he force her to enter any tournament and why would he force her to enter a non-WTA event?