[TheBoiledEgg]

seen this plenty of times this week,
some taken around a min then they still allowed to make the challenge

umpire looks hopeless and gutless and say "ummmmm ok"

ATP umpires were much better and told the players you cant make challenge now, you taken too much time, player dont argue cos its his own damn fault, you cant disrupt the opponent by hanging around and waiting for a signal from your camp

[random fan]

I saw on this tournament as Petrova made two challenges in a row after line judge mistakengly faulted her first serves. I say first get decent line judges

[Corswandt]

Originally Posted by TheBoiledEgg

you cant disrupt the opponent by hanging around and waiting for a signal from your camp

I know who you're talking about, and I've noticed she's done this on other tournaments before. In one instance, her coach was actually caught on camera signalling "Don't bother".

[TheBoiledEgg]

Originally Posted by Corswandt

I know who you're talking about, and I've noticed she's done this on other tournaments before.

it wasnt just one person
Henin did this twice yesterday

went up to net, had a look, walked back, thought for a few secs
then made a decision to challenge

[lynch79]

Originally Posted by TheBoiledEgg

it wasnt just one person
Henin did this twice yesterday

went up to net, had a look, walked back, thought for a few secs
then made a decision to challenge

LEAVE JUJU (Allez Martina!) ALONE!!!

Of course, if she loses today vs Amelie, you're totally right and I'll join you.

[moby]

Partly because the umpire should be over-ruling some of the calls instead of forcing the players to challenge every one of them. It's the umpire's responsibility to do so, and if he/she can't and puts the onus back on the players, the players have the right to make sure of their decisions before challenging.

Ultimately, it still comes down to the umpires being increasingly hopeless and gutless and reliant on the technology. That's just my opinion, of course.

[Corswandt]

Originally Posted by TheBoiledEgg

it wasnt just one person
Henin did this twice yesterday

It was JHH I was talking about.

went up to net, had a look, walked back, thought for a few secs
then made a decision to challenge

Presumably after getting a signal from Carlos Rodriguez telling her what to do. I saw him do so at the USO SF.

[shibster]

yeah, the line judges stink so bad, the umpire is just glad to be calling scores, a decoration function.

i mean, why do the players need to call their own in and outs where this is a tournament, not like when i'm playing with my friends?

[tenn_ace]

ppl I now from a good source that chair umpires HAVE BEEN TOLD not to basically overrule close calls and let players challenge it, so this issue really has to be put to bed. Umpires are not bad, they just follow what they are told to do.

now, why they give so much time? It's partially for the same reason as why they don't overrule. The challenge system is now an "entertaining" part of tennis which supposedly well recieved by fans and generates interest, so WTA and ATP want as many of those challenges on TV as possible.

[Kim's_fan_4ever]

I don't know, maybe it's because the line umpires are so poor
Sometimes it also happens when a player haven't heard the line umpire's call and then when the chair umpire says the score she can ask for an challenge too. I happened in one match but I don't remember which players asked for it.

[GoDominique]

Originally Posted by tenn_ace

ppl I now from a good source that chair umpires HAVE BEEN TOLD not to basically overrule close calls and let players challenge it, so this issue really has to be put to bed. Umpires are not bad, they just follow what they are told to do.

Well then this issue is not over by any means, since it's yet another example for terrible WTA decisions.

They might as well let the players make the calls and remove the umpire altogether since their existence is no longer needed.

[TheBoiledEgg]

its better when the Umpire over-rules and the player then goes against the Umpire and challenges
thats what we had in Madrid TMS and Paris TMS

Umpires over-ruled quite alot and they werent gutless like all the WTA umpires are........ where's Sandra

[tenn_ace]

Originally Posted by GoDominique

Well then this issue is not over by any means, since it's yet another example for terrible WTA decisions.

They might as well let the players make the calls and remove the umpire altogether since their existence is no longer needed.

This is not only WTA's decision, it's ATP's as well.

You are also forgetting that the challenge systems is only used on show courts and in the biggest tournaments. The absolute majority of the tournaments do not use it and will not for at least another couple of years.

[TheBoiledEgg]

Originally Posted by tenn_ace

This is not only WTA's decision, it's ATP's as well.

You are also forgetting that the challenge systems is only used on show courts and in the biggest tournaments. The absolute majority of the tournaments do not use it and will not for at least another couple of years.

it's not the ATP way

the umpires at the TMS over-ruled alot of times like i just said above.

and when the player took too long to challenge, the Umpire just told the player, you cant challenge now, wasted too much time.

[tenn_ace]

Originally Posted by TheBoiledEgg

it's not the ATP way

the umpires at the TMS over-ruled alot of times like i just said above.

and when the player took too long to challenge, the Umpire just told the player, you cant challenge now, wasted too much time.

It's probably slightly better on ATP, but the premise is the same. Challenge system is important and it should be on TV.