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Old Nov 9th, 2006, 04:44 PM   #1
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Black Firefighter gets $2.7mill for Being Fed Dog Food

I am shocked and appalled this happened here in Los Angeles or should I be?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/09/fi....ap/index.html

Firehouse [dog] chow served to firefighter costs city $2.7M

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The city of Los Angeles is paying $2.7 million to settle a lawsuit from a black firefighter who claims he suffered racial discrimination after co-workers served him spaghetti laced with dog food.
The Los Angeles City Council approved the award Wednesday, 11 to 1.
In his lawsuit, firefighter Tennie Pierce, 51, said after he took a bite of the meal two years ago, he noticed other firefighters laughing. He demanded to know what was in the food after a second bite but nobody answered.
Pierce said he suffered retaliation for reporting the incident and verbal slurs, insults and derogatory remarks, including taunting by firefighters "barking like dogs [and] asking him how dog food tasted," the lawsuit said.
David Wellman, a professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz hired by Pierce's attorney, said the association of a black man and dog food "resonates with the deep historical roots of slavery and the corresponding dehumanization."
"It's not just silly stuff. It's racially motivated," he said.
As part of the settlement, the two captains involved were given one month off without pay, and a firefighter was ordered off work for three days without pay.
"I truly hope that my case will make a difference for African-Americans in the Los Angeles Fire Department," Pierce said in a statement.
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Old Nov 9th, 2006, 04:45 PM   #2
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I would eat dog food for a lot less than $2.7 million!
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Old Nov 9th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #3
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Not surprised to hear this.

And most definitely not
surprised in happened in LA!
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I would eat dog food for a lot less than $2.7 million!
Some have higher standards
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Now for me; Dog food: 1.7M
& Dog shit: 2.7M.

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Old Nov 9th, 2006, 04:48 PM   #5
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Not surprised to hear this.

And most definitely not
surprised in happened in LA!
It is just shameful and embarrassing! Don't white men have anything better to do than trying to feed a black man dog food? What kind of mentality is that?
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Old Nov 9th, 2006, 05:23 PM   #6
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yeah thats a damn shame..and some folks think stuff like that is funny...they would end up payin me about half of that amount because they would have sued me back for kickin all of em asses for puttin that shit in my food...i'm glad the bruh got paid....at least he is laughing all the way to the bank
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Yeah you should be appalled but not shocked and if anyone tries to give excuses for their motives all they need to do is look at their reaction to the fireman reporting them. If it was an innoncent prank they certainly wouldn't have carried it further, they would've been sorry it happened. Also, that 11 to 1 vote speaks volumes.
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that's horrible. i'm glad he got compensated for that.
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It is just shameful and embarrassing! Don't white men have anything better to do than trying to feed a black man dog food? What kind of mentality is that?
You would think they would! Here is what I find fascinating! We are only about 12% of the population but yet they have to go out of their way to make our lives miserable. Why is that! Are we a threat to them in some way we are unaware of, and if we are in what way and how can we exploit it to improve the conditions for us here in this country and around the world?
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You would think they would! Here is what I find fascinating! We are only about 12% of the population but yet they have to go out of their way to make our lives miserable. Why is that! Are we a threat to them in some way we are unaware of, and if we are in what way and how can we exploit it to improve the conditions for us here in this country and around the world?
Roarke, I've been trying to answer this question for my kids for over 12 years!! And I still can't find a white person who will answer this.
I don't know what the hell it is, [maybe out of fear or jealous...] but I find that whites really do find us intimidating to a great extent. Even some of the teachers I help out everyday STILL find me intimidating. WTF?! And again...
*note: not all do, but my God, most for sure.*
One of those unanswerable paradoxes of life I suppose.

Maybe some kind Caucasian poster will / can find it in his/her heart to answer your questions.
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Old Nov 9th, 2006, 07:25 PM   #11
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I am shocked and appalled this happened here in Los Angeles or should I be?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/09/fi....ap/index.html

Firehouse [dog] chow served to firefighter costs city $2.7M

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- The city of Los Angeles is paying $2.7 million to settle a lawsuit from a black firefighter who claims he suffered racial discrimination after co-workers served him spaghetti laced with dog food.
The Los Angeles City Council approved the award Wednesday, 11 to 1.
In his lawsuit, firefighter Tennie Pierce, 51, said after he took a bite of the meal two years ago, he noticed other firefighters laughing. He demanded to know what was in the food after a second bite but nobody answered.
Pierce said he suffered retaliation for reporting the incident and verbal slurs, insults and derogatory remarks, including taunting by firefighters "barking like dogs [and] asking him how dog food tasted," the lawsuit said.
David Wellman, a professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz hired by Pierce's attorney, said the association of a black man and dog food "resonates with the deep historical roots of slavery and the corresponding dehumanization."
"It's not just silly stuff. It's racially motivated," he said.
As part of the settlement, the two captains involved were given one month off without pay, and a firefighter was ordered off work for three days without pay.
"I truly hope that my case will make a difference for African-Americans in the Los Angeles Fire Department," Pierce said in a statement.
wow, whats more revealing is that the LAFD didnt fire those responsible.

its all might sick.
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Roarke, I've been trying to answer this question for my kids for over 12 years!! And I still can't find a white person who will answer this.
I don't know what the hell it is, [maybe out of fear or jealous...] but I find that whites really do find us intimidating to a great extent. Even some of the teachers I help out everyday STILL find me intimidating. WTF?! And again...
*note: not all do, but my God, most for sure.*
One of those unanswerable paradoxes of life I suppose.

Maybe some kind Caucasian poster will / can find it in his/her heart to answer your questions.
LOL, like they'll read this thread.
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wow, whats more revealing is that the LAFD didnt fire those responsible.

its all might sick.
I thought the very same thing Wiggly; which essentially says that they either condone the act or do not find the act all that appalling.
…Which makes Roarke's questions that much more significant, in the sense that culturally, the two groups think differently, and have distinctly different priorities.

Now what I did was turn the situation around and had black fire fighters feeding dog food to a white member. In such a scenario, what would have been the obvious outcome?

And people ask why we're so angry.
Maybe it's the dog food they keep feeding us.
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LOL, like they'll read this thread.
I think most do actually. There are some cool white guys on this site, but maybe they feel too intimidated [there's that word again. ] to honestly answer the questions. I know that when I used to hear about drive-by shootings in Oakland, it used to piss me off to no end, but also embarrass the hell out of me because these where my peeps doing the killing.
Maybe the same applies here…
…being that they far too embarrassed to reply.
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Roarke, I've been trying to answer this question for my kids for over 12 years!! And I still can't find a white person who will answer this.
I don't know what the hell it is, [maybe out of fear or jealous...] but I find that whites really do find us intimidating to a great extent. Even some of the teachers I help out everyday STILL find me intimidating. WTF?! And again...
*note: not all do, but my God, most for sure.*
One of those unanswerable paradoxes of life I suppose.

Maybe some kind Caucasian poster will / can find it in his/her heart to answer your questions.


although, what i would say to your question, is that what i have done in my life is too look at those who are NOT this way, those whites who are anti-racist what has made them that way, what steps did they take.?

in my experience, anti-racist functioning can be learned, but the white people who are examples to me for what solid compassion and anti-racist means didnt learn it. these are people who see race, and also have seen since they were little that blacks get treated different and its not fair and they dont like it. thats it. its that basic understanding that while two beings might look different, the way they should be treated for in the same situation for doing the same thing should be the same.

when you look, you will see that people who are anti-racist, are also anti-sexist, anti-homophobic and so on. because while the players might be different to the general rule (while two beings might look different, the way they should be treated for in the same situation for doing the same thing should be the same) still applies.

so then for me its easy to see why some people are so racist, sexist, ect. for them the two beings might be the same but they will find ANY justification to show that they SHOULD be treated differently for the same action in the same situation. this not only enables them to be racist, it enables any and every kind of ism one can think of. this is why the likes of Selesfan70 can so easily be racist gays. this is why they can easily support things that are so blatantly racist. this is why the firefighters that did this are likely to also treat women and gays as being sub-human or beneath them.

the anti-racist person - two beings might be different in looks but if they are in the same situation and got to this path in the same way they should be treated the same.

the racist person - the beings might be different in looks, which instantly means is one somehow in someway better or worse than the other in some way thus they should be treated differently.

RVD tell me what you think of this analysis and ask any questions you have.
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