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Old May 16th, 2006, 01:14 AM   #151
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Old May 16th, 2006, 01:52 AM   #152
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I love Venus and think the world of her and the fact that she reached four straight finals is HISTORIC, but I think Lindsay is more accomplished. Lindsay should be #3 outright. She spent more time @ #1 than any other active player not named Martina Hingis. She was also Y.E. #1 more times than ANY other active player. That speaks VOLUMES more than just one more slam title...even 2 more slam titles. Top 5 should be: Serena, Martina, Lindsay, Venus, and then Justine...but good list though! SERENA'S #1! And to whomever said that Martina and Serena's careers might be compared if Serena doesn't get her act together....I think you're right and wrong. Yeah Martina has accomplished a LOT..but she's played so much more tennis than Serena. Martina's played more than two times as many matches as Serena, and Serena's career is STILL HEAD AND SHOULDERS BETTER. But yeah, for Serena to solidify herself as the best player of this first decade, she has a lot of work to do. She needs to win at least 20 more titles, spend about 6 more months @ #1, and bag about 5 more slams. She's safe at that position now, but with those accomplishments, she's looking @ top 5 of the OPEN ERA!
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Old May 16th, 2006, 09:08 AM   #153
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I'd rank Kim ahead of Mary because Kim's been to number 1 and won more title than Mary.
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Lindsay should be ahead of Justine; 1 major isn't a big difference, and Lindsay has done better in the majors overall (i.e. more finals). Lindsay also has a lot more titles and has been ranked #1 at year's end more times.

And shouldn't Kim be above Mary? I know Mary has 2 majors, but Kim has more titles overall and has been ranked #1. Kim also has 2 YEC titles to Mary's 0.

Amelie should definitely be above Myskina and Kuznetsova; I can't believe people are suggesting otherwise. Amelie has a major (odd circumstances or not), has been #1, has more Tier 1 titles, and has won a YEC.
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Grand Slams are much more important than anything. Everyone will mention the slam you won when you reture, not the small tournaments that you won.
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Correct. They are the measure of success in tennis, but when people are close (i.e. 1 major separating them), you then look to rankings, YEC and Tier 1 titles, etc. I don't think someone who has won 2 majors is automatically ahead of someone with 1 major, but someone with 5 majors is definitely ahead of someone with 1 major.
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I love Venus and think the world of her and the fact that she reached four straight finals is HISTORIC, but I think Lindsay is more accomplished. Lindsay should be #3 outright. She spent more time @ #1 than any other active player not named Martina Hingis. She was also Y.E. #1 more times than ANY other active player. That speaks VOLUMES more than just one more slam title...even 2 more slam titles. Top 5 should be: Serena, Martina, Lindsay, Venus, and then Justine...but good list though! SERENA'S #1! And to whomever said that Martina and Serena's careers might be compared if Serena doesn't get her act together....I think you're right and wrong. Yeah Martina has accomplished a LOT..but she's played so much more tennis than Serena. Martina's played more than two times as many matches as Serena, and Serena's career is STILL HEAD AND SHOULDERS BETTER. But yeah, for Serena to solidify herself as the best player of this first decade, she has a lot of work to do. She needs to win at least 20 more titles, spend about 6 more months @ #1, and bag about 5 more slams. She's safe at that position now, but with those accomplishments, she's looking @ top 5 of the OPEN ERA!
I agree about Lindsay, she deserves to be number 3. I am not so sure about Martina and Serena, maybe they can share the number one spot. It´s not easy to say who has done more.

Anyway, I am not agree about that Serena should be first based on the fact that she played less tennis than Martina. This thread it´s about what they have done, not how many tournaments they have played. Besides, you should remember that Martina were 22 when she retired with all those singles and doubles titles and with those 209 weeks like number ones in the world.
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Serena has won more majors than anyone, and she held all 4 at one time. No other active player has won all 4 majors, much less held them all at once. When you add in that she has a winning record against every other active player on the list (does she?), it's clear to me that she is #1.

I'd rank Venus over Lindsay because Venus has more majors and has done better on clay. Lindsay has been more consistent in terms of ranking, but Venus has a decent number of titles overall and has made the finals of all 4 majors. I think she's made more finals in general than Lindsay as well.

1. Serena
2. Martina
3. Venus
4. Lindsay
5. Justine
6. Kim
7. Mary
8. Amelie
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10. Anastasia or Svetlana
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If Capriati is still considered "active", which I think she is, she should be ranked No. 6.
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Capriati hasn't been active for a long, long time (2004?) If she returns, she'll be placed back on the list, as was Martina.
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Well, with this Slam Justine is in a virtual tie with Venus. Who do you believe is the more accomplished player?
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Some interesting posts. I don't take grand slams as the be all and end all. And it is interesting to read the Justine vs Lindsay comparisons where one player has played a long time and achieved an impressive record and the other player has packed a lot in a shorter time period and has had periods of dominance during that time.

Between 2002- Wimby 2003 the Williams were completely dominant. Then the Belgians were so dominant that if Kim and Justine were both playing you might just as well forget the tournament and just play the finals - with Justine winning if it was a slam. If only one of them was playing - why bother with the tournament they were so dominant. Linds was #1 for a long time but I don't think ever dominated to the same extent that you could just select her as the winner every time. But her CV of wins year after year with her 3 slams is still soooo impressive.

So I look at GS titles, total wins, whether the CV is packed thin or thick spread over the number of years they've been playing - Mary loses out here because it is thin. Kim's is thick with her number of wins packed into each season she's played. I'd also look at whether the player has been dominant, and whether the player was ever considered the best player regardless of wht the official rankings say. Again Mary with her 2 GS titles loses out here.

My list would therefore start:

1 Serena; 2 Martina.

But I can't at the moment separate Venus, Justine, and Lindsay. If forced to at gunpoint I would say after this RG 2006 title - Justine then Venus then Linds - but I really don't want to separate them.

Kim would definitely be on her own next - a clearcut #6. And then a gap.

After that it gets difficult with players like Momo, Conchita, Masha and Mary:
I think I have to say Momo at #7 and maybe Masha at #8. The trouble I have with Mary and Conchita is regardless of the quirks of the rankings - no way could you even make a case that they were ever in their career anywhere near deserving of the best player in the world and the #1 ranking.
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When was this posted? If this year, sorry Hingis has 16. It was 15-11 in favor of Hingis over Davenport. She's won all 9. Davenport has won only indian wells, Zurich, Tokyo among the different tier 1 titles. However, if you exclude Hingis Davenport does lead with 11 tied with two other players one of them being Sabatini.

The thing to admire is Davenport's longevity despite some serious injuries.
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When was this posted? If this year, sorry Hingis has 16. It was 15-11 in favor of Hingis over Davenport. She's won all 9. Davenport has won only indian wells, Zurich, Tokyo among the different tier 1 titles. However, if you exclude Hingis Davenport does lead with 11 tied with two other players one of them being Sabatini.

The thing to admire is Davenport's longevity despite some serious injuries.
Sorry, I forgot about Marti

Also, Lindsay's tier Is also include a San Diego title
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