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Old Sep 5th, 2004, 12:40 PM   #1
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Venus and her forehand...

During the last two or three tournaments Vee has played in, I've been scrutinizing her forehand, trying to figure out what the problem is, and whether it's physical or mental (lack of confidence) in nature. What I've come up with is that her "unit" turn (the simple turning of the body) is fine, but when she begins to take her raquet back there is a delay in the process, a hitch, where the raquet actually begins to move foreward again before resuming the swing process. In other words the raquet (and arm and hand) swing back, stop, edges forward a bit, then begins to go back again. This is a complicated swing motion and would certainly cause a certain amount of inconsistency since Vee has to "find" the ball twice.


Check out your tapes or Tivo in slow motion and see what you think. Any of you agree with this assessment? Should I be a highly paid pro coach, or sent back to drying the courts during rain delays?

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Old Sep 5th, 2004, 12:43 PM   #2
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faste,
You're absolutely right. I've been saying the same thing for years. Other than the "hitch" that Venus has in the motion, she also raises her head up when she hits it. This takes away from her power and forward motion.
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Old Sep 5th, 2004, 12:45 PM   #3
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So what happens when she's on the run? She seems to have no problems hitting her forehand when she's playing denfensive....Yesterday most of the forehands she missed where no pace-middle court balls....
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So what happens when she's on the run? She seems to have no problems hitting her forehand when she's playing denfensive....Yesterday most of the forehands she missed where no pace-middle court balls....
Exactly! When she's on the run, stretching, there isn't a whole lot of time for raquet prep - you're are running and then swinging - there isn't any take back motion to speak of...

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Exactly! When she's on the run, stretching, there isn't a whole lot of time for raquet prep - you're are running and then swinging - there isn't any take back motion to speak of...

Sorted! All she needs to do then is to run or stetch to every ball! Maybe she should move away from balls landing close to her than run back to them
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So what happens when she's on the run? She seems to have no problems hitting her forehand when she's playing denfensive....Yesterday most of the forehands she missed where no pace-middle court balls....
absolutely right.

Venus' forehand is depressing right now. hopefully she hits the practice court and stays there today
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I saw Vee practiving her FH before the Chanda match and it looked awful...no accelaration...she was even getting frustrated, bending over in disgust everytime she missed one...which was ALOT...

she practiced again today and did tons of FH's...some one were amazing others looked worse than mine...I just hope she has an ON day against Davey because we all know Davey will be going after the FH
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She also doesn't seem to move her feet a lot when she hits the shots, and as Tracy mentions, she pulls up too often.

Venus really drives the ball with that forehand when she keeps on balanced with it, where she's moving her feet and keeping her head and body in line with the ball.

She just gets lazy out there sometimes.
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Venus also doesn't always have her eye on the ball and doesn't freeze her head during the swing---this can be extremely helpful ESPECIALLY on service returns.
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Sorted! All she needs to do then is to run or stetch to every ball! Maybe she should move away from balls landing close to her than run back to them
Correcting the hitch in her swing would be easier.

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great post. Venus forehand always does look a little odd when she plays it.
I just wonderder when she has a wastern grip did she still have the same problem
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There are still people out there who believe that there is nothing fundamentally flawed in Venus's game. This is an excellent analysis of what's wrong with her forehand.
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Correcting the hitch in her swing would be easier.

So would learning how to hit it with a closed stance.....

Don't tell anyone I said this, but John McEnroe was right when he said that Venus uses too much upper body and not enough lower body on her forehand and serve. The strongest muscles in the body are below the waist, not above.
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During the last two or three tournaments Vee has played in, I've been scrutinizing her forehand, trying to figure out what the problem is, and whether it's physical or mental (lack of confidence) in nature. What I've come up with is that her "unit" turn (the simple turning of the body) is fine, but when she begins to take her raquet back there is a delay in the process, a hitch, where the raquet actually begins to move foreward again before resuming the swing process. In other words the raquet (and arm and hand) swing back, stop, edges forward a bit, then begins to go back again. This is a complicated swing motion and would certainly cause a certain amount of inconsistency since Vee has to "find" the ball twice.


Check out your tapes or Tivo in slow motion and see what you think. Any of you agree with this assessment? Should I be a highly paid pro coach, or sent back to drying the courts during rain delays?

I wish Venus will hire you. .
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There are still people out there who believe that there is nothing fundamentally flawed in Venus's game. This is an excellent analysis of what's wrong with her forehand.
Not only that, but everyone knows it now. Venus will be seeing even more forehands in the future, and if she doesn't fix it, she'll not see any big trophies or big checks any time soon.
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