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Old Jun 25th, 2004, 02:32 PM   #1
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Is too big a deal being made about the incorrect score?

Yes it was a bad mistake and Sprem got a point she shouldn't have. That's all fact. Still, is that ultimately any different than the bad call that was made in the 1st set that would have given Sprem 2 set points? Is it any different than Serena not getting another 1st serve in the SF of Roland Garros last year?

Umpires and lines people make mistakes all the time because, guess what, they're human!! Most matches have an incorrect call, an incorrect decision, etc. Why is this really any different?
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Old Jun 25th, 2004, 02:49 PM   #2
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Yes it was a bad mistake and Sprem got a point she shouldn't have. That's all fact. Still, is that ultimately any different than the bad call that was made in the 1st set that would have given Sprem 2 set points? Is it any different than Serena not getting another 1st serve in the SF of Roland Garros last year?

Umpires and lines people make mistakes all the time because, guess what, they're human!! Most matches have an incorrect call, an incorrect decision, etc. Why is this really any different?
It's not really any different, IMHO. It just diverts attention away from the fact that the heavy favorite was outplayed. The "umpire" was the focus. Had that not happened, we'd be hearing about how badly Venus played. In fact, we're starting to hear that too.
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If the umpire was fired from the tournament, then it is a big deal.
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Who is making a big deal of it?! It is wimbledon itself who fired the guy. Venus didn´t complain, no one else complained... sho why is mr cheesetrix trying to act funny?!
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yes and no. it is a hugely embarrassing error. so it is a big deal in that respect. But one error does not make a tennis match. so to blame the loss on one error is silly.
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Who is making a big deal of it?! It is wimbledon itself who fired the guy. Venus didn´t complain, no one else complained... sho why is mr cheesetrix trying to act funny?!
Who is making about big deal out of it? Gee, I don't know, must've been the 1000+ threads about how Venus got robbed by the umpire?
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Who is making about big deal out of it? Gee, I don't know, must've been the 1000+ threads about how Venus got robbed by the umpire?
The tournament did by telling the press they goofed, not this board.
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I really like Venus - I'm sorry she didn't win. It was the first time that I'd really seen Karolina - wow!! I am certainly going to follow her in the future... Anyway... *back on topic*

I feel sorry for Venus (for what happened in the tie-break) and this has also cast a shadow over the biggest win of Karolina's career. People do of course make mistakes though (I know all about mistake making... *blush* ) - I imagine the umpire is feeling awful and embarrassed about what has happened. And Karolina did have the bad call in the first set as has been stated...

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Yes it was a bad mistake and Sprem got a point she shouldn't have. That's all fact. Still, is that ultimately any different than the bad call that was made in the 1st set that would have given Sprem 2 set points? Is it any different than Serena not getting another 1st serve in the SF of Roland Garros last year?

Umpires and lines people make mistakes all the time because, guess what, they're human!! Most matches have an incorrect call, an incorrect decision, etc. Why is this really any different?
That was indeed a tough mistake to make esp in a tie break where every point counts. This wasn't a line call but a point freely given. which means at 7/7 Venus already had the set won. Anything was possible after that. But we will never know but that isn't the point.
And no this isn't similar to the SF at RG last year. This time it was the umpire at fault, at RG the umpire didn't see the hand and justine wasn't honest.
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yes and no. it is a hugely embarrassing error. so it is a big deal in that respect. But one error does not make a tennis match. so to blame the loss on one error is silly.
I don't think ANYONE blamed the loss on that error, including Venus, Richard and myself.

Venus had set points in Both sets...It's sport, it happens, just wasn't her year.
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I really like Venus - I'm sorry she didn't win. It was the first time that I'd really seen Karolina - wow!! I am certainly going to follow her in the future... Anyway... *back on topic*

I feel sorry for Venus (for what happened in the tie-break) and this has also cast a shadow over the biggest win of Karolina's career. People do of course make mistakes though (I know all about mistake making... *blush* ) - I imagine the umpire is feeling awful and embarrassed about what has happened. And Karolina did have the bad call in the first set as has been stated...

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I respect what you have said. But a Point in a game vs. a point in a Tie-break are totally different and the significance is much greater, thats the big deal.

I feel Venus played as well as she could've, but was to defensive yesterday. and got pretty tight on her opportunities. She was the one with everything to lose yesterday, so she played tighter...but in retrospect, they both played pretty well.
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It is almost like a bad call. Truth is that had it been 3-1 (or whatever) you never know how each player would react psychologically. Truth is that Venus had set points which she lost, If anything she would have had to face a match point anyways
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Yes it was a bad mistake and Sprem got a point she shouldn't have. That's all fact. Still, is that ultimately any different than the bad call that was made in the 1st set that would have given Sprem 2 set points? Is it any different than Serena not getting another 1st serve in the SF of Roland Garros last year?

Umpires and lines people make mistakes all the time because, guess what, they're human!! Most matches have an incorrect call, an incorrect decision, etc. Why is this really any different?
Of course it is different...it was a tiebreaker in which every point is crucial...this wasnt some bad line call...Karolina didnt even have to strike a single ball to earn that point. After a bad line call, players either are mentally bothered or build from it...

Completely different.
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