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Old Jun 1st, 2004, 01:13 AM   #1
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Where the Roland Garros Seeds Justified??

Seed- Player- Status
1 Justine Henin-Hardenne, BelgiumOUT - second round (Garbin)

2 Serena Williams, United StatesAdvanced to quarterfinals

3 Amelie Mauresmo, FranceAdvanced to quarterfinals

4 Venus Williams, United StatesAdvanced to quarterfinals

5 Lindsay Davenport, United StatesOUT - fourth round (Dementieva)

6 Anastasia Myskina, RussiaAdvanced to quarterfinals

7 Jennifer Capriati, United StatesAdvanced to quarterfinals

8 Nadia Petrova, RussiaOUT - third round (Weingartner)

9 Elena Dementieva, RussiaAdvanced to quarterfinals

10 Vera Zvonareva, RussiaOUT - third round (Sharapova)

11 Svetlana Kuznetsova, RussiaOUT - fourth round (Myskina)

12 Ai Sugiyama, JapanOUT - second round (Pascual)

13 Chanda Rubin, United StatesWithdrew (knee injury)

14 Paola Suarez, ArgentinaAdvanced to quarterfinals

15 Sivia Farina Elia, ItalyOUT - second round (Shaughnessy)

16 Patty Schnyder, SwitzerlandOUT - second round (Asagoe)

17 Francesca Schiavone, ItalyOUT - fourth round (Capriati)

18 Maria Sharapova, RussiaAdvanced to quarterfinals

19 Anna Smashnova-Pistolesi, IsraelOUT - third round (Dementieva)

20 Conchita Martinez, SpainOUT - second round (Dulko)

21 Magdalena Maleeva, BulgariaAdvanced to fourth round

22 Karolina Sprem, CroatiaOUT - first round (Casanova)

23 Fabiola Zuluaga, ColumbiaAdvanced to fourth round

24 Jelena Dokic, YugoslaviaOUT - first round (Perebiynis)

25 Elena Bovina, RussiaOUT - third round (Capriati)

26 Nathalie Dechy, FranceOUT - first round (Foretz)

27Eleni Daniilidou, GermanyOUT - first round (Weingartner)

28Lisa Raymond, United StatesOUT - second round (Parra Santonja)

29Petra Mandula, HungaryOUT - second round (Chladkova)

30Mary Pierce, FranceOUT - third round (V. Williams)

31Emilie Loit, FranceOUT - second round (Zheng)

32Dinara Safina, RussiaOUT - second round (Irvin)
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Old Jun 1st, 2004, 01:21 AM   #2
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well the seeds went by rank except for venus and serena, so yes, they were justified bc venus and serena are in the quarters.

wtg for sharapova! but i think we all had to know petrova wasn't going to repeat
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Old Jun 1st, 2004, 01:28 AM   #3
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I say yes. Justine was obviously in no condition to play major tournament tennis, but as the top-ranked player in the world and defending Roland Garros champion, she had to be the top seed. As far as honoring the WTA Tour's Special Seeding Rule for the Williams sisters, I think their play has justified the FFT's decision. The real question is, what about Wimbledon?
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Old Jun 1st, 2004, 01:29 AM   #4
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The real question is, what about Wimbledon?
same for williams sisters

but sorry, monica will be a top 16 seed
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same for williams sisters

but sorry, monica will be a top 16 seed
Now for the $10 million question: do you seed Serena and Venus 1-2? I'm not saying they should (althought, admittedly, I wouldn't mind it), but based on recent Wimbledon results, the Lawn Tennis Association of England would have a strong leg to stand on if they did.
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Old Jun 1st, 2004, 02:01 AM   #6
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Now for the $10 million question: do you seed Serena and Venus 1-2? I'm not saying they should (althought, admittedly, I wouldn't mind it), but based on recent Wimbledon results, the Lawn Tennis Association of England would have a strong leg to stand on if they did.
I would Venus and Serena deserve the 1 and 2 seeds at Wimby.
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Now for the $10 million question: do you seed Serena and Venus 1-2? I'm not saying they should (althought, admittedly, I wouldn't mind it), but based on recent Wimbledon results, the Lawn Tennis Association of England would have a strong leg to stand on if they did.
Look at the past history of Wimbledon women's seedings... they've only ever screwed with the rankings once (Graf and Davenport, '99) - and it backfired on them.

The RG seedings were justified because they went along with the rankings. This includes Venus and Serena, as they went along with their official WTA injury rankings. No arbitrary past-performance or recent-results criteria at all.
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Look at the past history of Wimbledon women's seedings... they've only ever screwed with the rankings once (Graf and Davenport, '99) - and it backfired on them.

The RG seedings were justified because they went along with the rankings. This includes Venus and Serena, as they went along with their official WTA injury rankings. No arbitrary past-performance or recent-results criteria at all.
You're right about Wimbledon not deviating from the rankings for the women, which they'll probably do again this year, but would they really be out of bounds if they didn't? Because the grass season is so short, past performances mean a whole lot more at Wimbledon than they would at the other three majors. Even Justine herself would be hard-pressed to argue that the Williams sisters aren't the two best grass-court players in the world right now, so why shouldn't the Wimbledon seedings reflect that?
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Now for the $10 million question: do you seed Serena and Venus 1-2? I'm not saying they should (althought, admittedly, I wouldn't mind it), but based on recent Wimbledon results, the Lawn Tennis Association of England would have a strong leg to stand on if they did.
How exactly can you drop the current #1 to the THIRD seed. Especially when she's been a finalist?
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You're right about Wimbledon not deviating from the rankings for the women, which they'll probably do again this year, but would they really be out of bounds if they didn't? Because the grass season is so short, past performances mean a whole lot more at Wimbledon than they would at the other three majors. Even Justine herself would be hard-pressed to argue that the Williams sisters aren't the two best grass-court players in the world right now, so why shouldn't the Wimbledon seedings reflect that?
I'm one of those who think that the seedings should just go by the rankings and be done with it... regardless of any other factors, otherwise it just becomes too subjective. Because if you seed Venus and Serena 1 and 2 based on other factors, you've got to apply those same factors to every other seeding place consistently... and you can't do that for 32 women.

I don't approve of special seedings, either... I hated Lindsay's special seeding at the time. The mid-ranked players get totally screwed on them.
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How exactly can you drop the current #1 to the THIRD seed. Especially when she's been a finalist?
When you have two players who've split the last 4 championships and played against each other in the last two finals.
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Now for the $10 million question: do you seed Serena and Venus 1-2? I'm not saying they should (althought, admittedly, I wouldn't mind it), but based on recent Wimbledon results, the Lawn Tennis Association of England would have a strong leg to stand on if they did.
wimbledon will be sly... kim will be back. kim will be number 2.
serena 3 and venus 4. we get the williams vs belgium semis that everyone loves and its a perfect tournament. that, my friends is your answer there.
if an all williams final is to be, it shall be. 3 and 4 MUST be on opposite sides of the draw, just like 1 and 2.
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I agree: Justine - 1, Kim - 2, Serena - 3 and Venus - 4. I think this would be quite a fair seeding arrangement for Wimby.
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Where the what?

They seeded by rankings plus wta ssr...just like any wta event would do...nothing to justify.
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