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Old Apr 2nd, 2004, 07:27 PM   #1
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Do you think some Venus fans secretly want Serena to lose?

This isn't meant as a controversial question or anything, I'm possing a question that's been on my mind lately to other Serena fans.

On the surface I know that may sound like an odd question, but speaking as a fan of just one of the sisters, I know that if things were the other way around I wouldn’t mind Venus losing cuz it would then help to alleviate some of the pressure. For other fans this may come across as an odd question because so many Serena fans are Venus fans, but even fans of both have a favorite- and we're only human. If Serena losses in the final then it would do a few good things for Venus. Thinking back, no one expected big results from Venus in her first few matches of the year (except of course for Venus fans with high hopes,) but there really wasn't a lot of pressure for Venus to pick up where she left off- not right away anyway. After the first, second, and third lost the questions turned to "exactly how long is this supposed to take?". Fast forward to this tournament, Serena's first since an even longer layoff, and there she is playing in the final.

Because a lot of people in the media tend to paint things in a black and white style, and because a lot of fans are always looking to “prove” the Williams reign is a thing of the past the talk that we’re starting to hear is "either Serena is really good" or "something's wrong with Venus". I think the media would rather take the latter position- the more drama the better. If Serena were to lose, especially to the same player Venus did, then it at least keeps them in the same boat, whereas a win puts Venus' past results under a microscope, not to mention the focus on her next few tournaments will be tremendous.

Keeping in mind there are other Venus fans' outraged with the Dementieva loss and want Serena to exact revenge in the name of Venus- I'm not wondering about these types of fans motivations. Even in this case though, it's still an interesting thing occuring cuz it's like the fans use the other player as a second chance. In a way it's like a win-win.

Just a few things I've been thinkin' about...
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Old Apr 2nd, 2004, 09:27 PM   #2
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I visit www.venusserenafans.com so I've seen how some fans of Venus and conversely some fans of Serena are more critical of the other sister and while I've never read or seen any fan of either sister want the other to lose, I've seen some fans of just Serena or just Venus, who only root for one sister.

Right now and really in the past couple of months I've seen more criticism coming from fans of Venus about Venus or fans of Serena about Serena and their practicing, lack thereof, or who they go out with, what they do in their spare time, what they aren't doing right on the court, etc.. Sometimes it does bother me because some of it I consider harsh and really not a place where a fan can say anything, but it happens. so it's really a weird thing that can go both ways.

But on a general level I think most fans, whether they are just fans of Serena or Venus want both sisters to do well.
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I think today all William's fans both Venus and Serena were able to find joy in Serena's success today! Nice win for Serena, she's looking good which is great positioning for her going into the clay season. I think her success is going to help in giving Venus a push and motivating her to elevate her play.
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With tennis, moreso than with some other sports, so much of what happens on the court is tied to what's going on in between your head. When it's all said and done, maybe it's possible that Serena's confidence in herself is the single biggest difference between the two. This has nothing at all to do with heart, I would never question anyone's heart because if there out there when they don't have to be it's pretty obvious their heart is with the sport. As Vee get's her confidence back both her agression and accuracy will both greatly improve.
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Old Apr 5th, 2004, 01:19 AM   #5
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I agree with Stefwhit. Venus in a way has been the Sister of my heart. I adore both Serena and Venus and want both to win. I'm sad when one loses and happy when one of them wins. I cannot judge nor question either of their hearts because I'm not them and I cannot do what they do or know what it takes to be the best 24/7. I hope there aren't any Venus fans who secretly want Serena to lose, but that there are just Venus fans who want Venus to do better and appreciate what Serena is doing right now.
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Old Apr 6th, 2004, 08:31 PM   #6
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I do think that some Venus fans want Serena to lose. And in a way it is natural. Venus was supposed to do what Serena has done the past couple of Venus. Venus is having a tremendous career but it's not quite at Serena's level and that has to frustrate some Venus fans to the point of wanting Serena to lose. Even though Serena and Venus are sisters they have alot of fans who prefer 1 of the sisters and that's why some of the Venus fans wanting Serena to lose would come into play. And I'm sure some of Serena's fans are very happy she has seperated herself from venus as a tennis player.
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Old Apr 7th, 2004, 01:39 AM   #7
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... And I'm sure some of Serena's fans are very happy she has seperated herself from venus as a tennis player.
You hit it right on the head for this Serena fan. I hate that the two are always refered to as one player, "the Williams Sisters". It's like there is some unwriten rule that if you like one you have to like the other. So in my case I really like that Serena has really seperated herself from her sister, although I do wish Vee the best of luck. I would prefer is she was playing up to her full potential.
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What I don't appreciate is if I make a negative comment about Venus or a seemingly negative comment about her, I get accused of being one of those Serena fans who criticize Venus. I resent that, because I'm a fan of Venus too and why can't I constructively critisize her as I would Serena. I hate the devisiveness. When I was on the Yahoo boards, the Williams' fans were fans of both sisters. Sure we had a favorite, but basically we loved them both with all our hearts. Here, I find that there are some who are one or the other and if you tend to lean toward the one or the other at times, they go for your juggler. Now, I must say, I haven't seen that from "Serena only" fans, but I've seen it from some "Venus only" fans and once directed toward me even though my signature clearly states "Williams' sisters fan". I hate it because the die-hard Williams' haters love it. It's unnecessary. Yes, I do believe that some of them want Serena to lose. I think this as a result of the attack I received after making the comment that Serena was not like Venus and that Serena would remember her loss to Petrova. I was a accused of not being a true Venus fan. It was silly. So, from the tone of that exchange I sincerely think that a few of them do want Serena to lose so that they can feel better about Venus. I hope after today, they (the Venus only fans) can feel a little more secure and not have to resort to division between the sisters. They the "only fans" should take heed from the sisters themselves. They are never devisive and I don't think they want their fans to be either.
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Ever since Serena gained her top form and beat Venus in five straight slam finals, Venus fans have been pretty salty. They come with asinine lame ass comments such as "She gave the finals away" and use their relationship as an asinine excuse not to give Serena the respect that she deserves as a player and a professional. Frankly it gets old and lame.
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Generally speaking, I think most Venus fans are supportive of Serena- but there are a few things that I’ve noticed that kind of irk me from time to time. One thing I’ve noticed (which BTW doesn't bother me,) is some Venus fans have no problems giving Serena her props when Serena defeats other players on tour. When Serena beats Venus however, I notice their tone takes a drastic change- more often than not you tend to hear things like, Venus lost the match rather than Serena won the match. I think because Venus fans truly believe that at their (respective) bests that Venus is a better player, so that probably explains why they have a hard time rationalizing why Venus continues to end up on the losing end of their on-court battles. To some degree that’s to be expected, and honestly that doesn’t bother me- the way I see it, the results speak for themselves.

One thing I have noticed that does bother me is that “some” Venus fans often use Serena as a crutch during the times where Venus isn’t playing well- but the moment Venus is seemingly “back”, they’re quick to toss Serena aside without a second thought. My best friend is a diehard Venus fanatic and during Serena’s Nasdaq final, he told me that from where he’s sitting it’s a win-win situation. He said, "if Serena were to lose to the same player Venus did, it wouldn’t be such a big deal that Venus lost- it takes the spotlight off her loss, and if Serena were to win, then Serena would be getting revenge for all the Venus fans" so either way he would be happy. I hadn’t thought about it in those terms until he said that. And for some reason that kind of bothered me... Since then I’ve noticed a lot of Venus fans riding Serena’s coattails as of late, but now that Venus won a title some of them have tossed Serena aside and now they’re proudly supporting their player. I don’t mean to generalize, or even suggest that my friend is a representative of all or even most Venus fans...but I have noticed that with a “few” Venus fans and that’s who I’m commenting on.

“Venus is having a tremendous career but it's not quite at Serena's level and that has to frustrate some Venus fans to the point.”
- I think there may be a little of that at play, to some degree. But you have to admit of all the “other” fans out there, Venus fans are the by far the best, in regards to Serena. And I think that mostly has to do with Serena and Venus being so close to one another. I guess there is a little divisiveness between the two camps, but for the most part, it’s either minimal or kept hidden. I have also noticed that some Vee fans are quick to label you if you say even the slightest critical thing, especially if you're a Serena fan....

Speaking for myself, I couldn't have been any happier watching Vee win her 30th title- good for her... Whether I'm rooting for Vee or not, I always want her playing her best. If I'm being honest though, sometimes I do feel because I'm a Serena fan that I'm obligated (by some unspoken rule) to root for Venus, which in turn, sometimes makes me root for her opponents...it's kinda hard to explain...
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What fucking secret? Of COURSE I want her to lose! Just only to Venus. But lose? Of course. Without her, Venus would more GS titles than Monica by now! (Well, I have no proof of that.)
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Ever since Serena gained her top form and beat Venus in five straight slam finals, Venus fans have been pretty salty. They come with asinine lame ass comments such as "She gave the finals away" and use their relationship as an asinine excuse not to give Serena the respect that she deserves as a player and a professional. Frankly it gets old and lame.
But to be fair, some Venus fans also use that salty attitude towards Venus too. Sad and illogical, but some things can't be explained.
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