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Old Feb 22nd, 2004, 10:21 PM   #1
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Comparing Venus, Serena, Maria Sharapova, rank by age

S Williams - V Williams - Sharapova
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23 xxxx xxx - 2003 _11
22 2003 __3 - 2002 __2
21 2002 __1 - 2001 __3
20 2001 __6 - 2000 __3
19 2000 __6 - 1999 __3
18 1999 __4 - 1998 __5
17 1998 _20 - 1997 _22
16 1997 _99 - 1996 204 - 2003 _32
15 1996 N/R - 1995 204 - 2002 186

This is a little misleading. Venus only played six tournaments the year that ended when she was 16, and only 13 the nest. Maria is carrying 16 right now. WHen the year ends she'll be 17.

However, the reality is she's 16 years old and in the top 25. She'll likely end this year in the top twenty. Her ppt is only 69, so she still has a ways to go (Lindsay's is 190, for example.

I'm not ready to say 'GS winner' yet, but she's on the move.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2004, 10:41 PM   #2
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Wasn't Venus 15 in 1995 and 16 in 1996?

Perhaps I misunderstood your post.

Anyway, it's fruitless to compare careers in their early stages, I think.

The good ones usually have early break throughs, but then can struggle for sometime there after. Venus went a long time without winning a title. Sharapova won one in fewer matches than Venus. I don't think that means Sharapova will be better or even as good as Venus. We'll just have to see how it turns out.
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Old Feb 22nd, 2004, 10:58 PM   #3
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Wasn't Venus 15 in 1995 and 16 in 1996?
Yes, which I THINK is what I wrote.


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Anyway, it's fruitless to compare careers in their early stages, I think.
I wasn't going for a direct comparison so much. But Venus and Serena are the only two players witha lot of achievements who played as little as an AER affected player. Comnparing her career to Capriati would have yielded little. OTOH, Venus and Serena played so little at that age, I guess that comparison isn't worth much either.

C'est la vie.
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how about Kim Clijsters and Anna Kournikova, they are ranked high young too
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how about Kim Clijsters and Anna Kournikova, they are ranked high young too
Yeah but they weren't AER restricted were they? Seems a bit unfair to compare rankings for players who could play unlimited tournaments to a player who could only play 14 or 16. The Williams sisters play way LESS than the AER restrictions. Also, in my head, I was looking at slam winners. I know I didn't write that, but I remember considering Hingis, Davenport and Capriati before deciding to just do V & S. But there's no reason you couldn't compare her to Clijsters. Sharapova seems to have made it plain she'd rather not be compared to Kournikova. At the very least, it's ill-omened.
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Sigh...

Why don't we wait until Maria, 1) defeats a Top 10 player and 2) stops boosting her ranking by beating nobodies in Tier 3's.
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Why don't we wait until Maria, 1) defeats a Top 10 player and 2) stops boosting her ranking by beating nobodies in Tier 3's.
Heh. Dokic was 11th seed at Wimbledon. Close enough.
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And Jelena was playing superb tennis then too...
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and Maria only beat her 6-4, 6-4. wow she's good, lets give her a Tier II title while we're at it
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Yeah but they weren't AER restricted were they? Seems a bit unfair to compare rankings for players who could play unlimited tournaments to a player who could only play 14 or 16. The Williams sisters play way LESS than the AER restrictions. Also, in my head, I was looking at slam winners. I know I didn't write that, but I remember considering Hingis, Davenport and Capriati before deciding to just do V & S. But there's no reason you couldn't compare her to Clijsters. Sharapova seems to have made it plain she'd rather not be compared to Kournikova. At the very least, it's ill-omened.
yeah, i guess you are right, anyways, i think Kim would be a good comparison coz i do believe she was under AER along with Jelena/Justine
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Maria can go on and on about how she's not Anna... she knows full well that all the money being made off her is because of the comparisons.

Besides, all that comes out of Maria's mouth is diarrhea anyway.

"I'm going to be #1. I can beat Serena."

Last I checked, Serena doesn't play Tier 3's every week.
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Yeah but they weren't AER restricted were they?
Oh yes they were. Anna was complaining for years that Hingis avoided AER and Anna had to play less than she wanted to.
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Maria can go on and on about how she's not Anna... she knows full well that all the money being made off her is because of the comparisons.

Besides, all that comes out of Maria's mouth is diarrhea anyway.

"I'm going to be #1. I can beat Serena."

Last I checked, Serena doesn't play Tier 3's every week.
She said she can beat Serena??
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Yes, in some interview she said she could beat Serena.

Look in Russian Roulette if you're desperate to read about this.
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i dont think she can beat Serena yet
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