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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 05:55 PM   #16
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I think this expression makes no sense logically. The word "yet" in it. A player is Top 5 material or not regardless of her current results. Simply because the concept of "material" is based on potential, not results.

Was Tatiana Golovin a Top 5 material a month ago? Is she now? Did anything change in terms of her potential since then?
to me it does... Justine wasn't a top 5 material when she started, but she kept working and improving and as much as you don't like me to use her example, she showed last year (Jan-March) that she would be there (even though she still had ways to go to get there).
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 06:32 PM   #17
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to me it does... Justine wasn't a top 5 material when she started, but she kept working and improving and as much as you don't like me to use her example, she showed last year (Jan-March) that she would be there (even though she still had ways to go to get there).
Oh, really? She has always been a top 5 material. From the very beginning. Since she won her first WTA tournament that she played. Took Davenport to a tight 3-setter in the first GS she played.
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 06:46 PM   #18
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How about Nastya? Did she have top 5 talent in 2000?
Anna and Elena are her age, and were both in the top 10 then.
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 06:55 PM   #19
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How about Nastya? Did she have top 5 talent in 2000?
Anna and Elena are her age, and were both in the top 10 then.
Even given my great sympathy to Nastya, I do not think she is a Top 5 talent. She does not have a physique for that.
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 07:01 PM   #20
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But Nastya can hit with pace, and handle pace. And she moves well.
Unless you have obvious weapons, you have to reach the top 5 through consistency and court coverage.
That might develop over time. And Nastya will be in the top 5 pretty soon.
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 07:09 PM   #21
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But Nastya can hit with pace, and handle pace. And she moves well.
Unless you have obvious weapons, you have to reach the top 5 through consistency and court coverage.
That might develop over time. And Nastya will be in the top 5 pretty soon.
We are talking about different things. When I say "Top 5", I mean a Top 5 resident, not reaching Top 5 once a career. Not Huber, MJF, Dokic or Hantuchova. Those players are not Top 5 players. They reached Top 5 due to circumstances rather than because they belong there. Nastya can easily be like them or better. But I am talking about potential of having a long spell - years of staying in Top 5. I do not think that Nastya has a potential for that.
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 07:14 PM   #22
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I'm thinking about the potential. I don't remember Nastya's game in 2000 or before. I didn't see her then. I think her potential may have increased.

I think Nastya will spend a lot of time in the top 5. I don't expect Capriati, Davenport, and Venus to play full schedules anymore.
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I agree that Nastya is not top 5 material even though she is 2-3 places away from it.

Anna K. was once. Lena L. - I don't think so.
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Old Feb 16th, 2004, 08:05 PM   #24
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Oh, really? She has always been a top 5 material. From the very beginning. Since she won her first WTA tournament that she played. Took Davenport to a tight 3-setter in the first GS she played.
forgetting that it was clay (her fav surface) and Davenport least one?

try searching these boards going just a year ago and you will see that even then people were saying that she's hardly top 5.
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Who's talking about Lena L.?
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I meant Lena D... no need to get nasty. unless of course u'r ok to be treated the same way.
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I thought maybe you switched to doubles potential.
I think Nastya has a chance to be like Mauresmo, and stay in the top 5.
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forgetting that it was clay (her fav surface) and Davenport least one?
Forgetting that Davenport was in top form and played excellent ckaycourt tennis, beating a bunch of very good claycourters and losing in a tight three-setter to eventual champion Steffi Graf? And played a rookie?
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Forgetting that Davenport was in top form and played excellent ckaycourt tennis, beating a bunch of very good claycourters and losing in a tight three-setter to eventual champion Steffi Graf? And played a rookie?
forgetting it was a first round match and Juju was virtually unknown (including to Davenport), so surprises do happen in the 1st round...

Babsi has never been considered a top 5 material even after her win over Williams...
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I meant Lena D... no need to get nasty. unless of course u'r ok to be treated the same way.
And Elena D. has all potential in the world. All she has to do is to try her best and she will be Top 5 easily. For as long as she stubbornly refuses professional coaching appropriate for a Top 5 player, and prefers holidays to grand slam preparation, she will be where she is, at very best.
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