Could Venus, Serena, or Lindsay overpower Fabrice Santoro? - TennisForum.com
TennisForum.com   Wagerline.com MensTennisForums.com TennisUniverse.com
TennisForum.com is the premier Women's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!
Reply

Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 05:58 PM   #1
country flag VW#1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 297
VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice VW#1 is just really nice
Could Venus, Serena, or Lindsay overpower Fabrice Santoro?

i only ask because he's so little and in his match with Phillipoussis, he didn't seem to be hitting with a lot of pace at all. Just a lot of slicing the ball and coming in. The Williams sisters and Davenport, obviously hit the ball very hard, I think their problem would be returning his serve. But if they got into a lot of baseline rallies, I think they could at least match him if not overpower him, what do you think?
VW#1 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 06:37 PM   #2
SerenaSlam
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 5,955
SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future SerenaSlam has a brilliant future
this is what i wanna know. last year, they talked of winners hit by venus and serena, venus hit one against hantuchova at 91 mph, and serena hit one i believe it was Shaugnessy at 93 mph. they talk of how its just much different. well yesturday they showed the pace and speed of the balls going back and forth with andre and enqvist, and they were consistently low-mid 80's. so i still think they could go out there, especially serena, and hit with them, and take sets off them. it wouldn't be a "no-contest" like many people think.
__________________
Blessed and Highly Favored....

Let The Word....Do the Work...

Speak over YOURSELF...

Follow Me! @CedricEarl
SerenaSlam is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:00 PM   #3
Sofiane
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Montreal, Qc, Canada
Posts: 1,116
Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about Sofiane has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by SerenaSlam
this is what i wanna know. last year, they talked of winners hit by venus and serena, venus hit one against hantuchova at 91 mph, and serena hit one i believe it was Shaugnessy at 93 mph. they talk of how its just much different. well yesturday they showed the pace and speed of the balls going back and forth with andre and enqvist, and they were consistently low-mid 80's. so i still think they could go out there, especially serena, and hit with them, and take sets off them. it wouldn't be a "no-contest" like many people think.
You need a reality check. The speeds of Agassi/Anqvist were during rallies, not winners. And there is a difference between hitting 1 super hard shot and hitting 30 hard shots.
Sofiane is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:12 PM   #4
country flag Glenn
Senior Member
 
Glenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Belgium
Posts: 6,834
Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light Glenn is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
Originally Posted by SerenaSlam
this is what i wanna know. last year, they talked of winners hit by venus and serena, venus hit one against hantuchova at 91 mph, and serena hit one i believe it was Shaugnessy at 93 mph. they talk of how its just much different. well yesturday they showed the pace and speed of the balls going back and forth with andre and enqvist, and they were consistently low-mid 80's. so i still think they could go out there, especially serena, and hit with them, and take sets off them. it wouldn't be a "no-contest" like many people think.
You're not thinking very realistically.
Of course Venus and Serena and no other female player can take sets off players like Enqvist and Agassi, nor off Santoro.
__________________
N N




~|~ Justine Henin-Hardenne ~|~ ~|~ Karolina Sprem ~|~ ~|~ Ashley Harkleroad~|~ ~|~ Marissa Irvin ~|~ ~|~ Corina Morariu ~|~ ~|~ Anna Kournikova ~|~ ~|~ Clarisa Fernandez ~|~ ~|~ Flavia Pennetta ~|~ ~|~ Iroda Tulyaganova ~|~ ~|~ Lina Krasnoroutskaya ~|~ ~|~ Denisa Chladkova ~|~ ~|~ Patty Schnyder ~|~ ~|~ Aniko Kapros ~|~ ~|~ Daja Bedanova ~|~ ~|~ Maja Matevzic ~|~ ~|~ Alexandra Stevenson ~|~
Glenn is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:28 PM   #5
country flag Keith17
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 583
Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road
As awful as people think Santoro may look, the guy has been a solid Top 50 player for nearly a decade.

Santoro is much faster than anyone in the WTA. He'd run down everything a Williams would hit, and annoy them to no end.

Also, Fabrice consistently serves in the 105-115 range... which V&S struggle to do.
Keith17 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:30 PM   #6
country flag Crazy Canuck
Senior Member
 
Crazy Canuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Munchkin Land
Posts: 28,304
Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute
Yes. All these women could outpower Fabrice, despite Marat Safin's failure to do so
Crazy Canuck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:31 PM   #7
country flag Keith17
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 583
Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road
You can't count Marat because he's a big oaf.
Keith17 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:33 PM   #8
country flag Crazy Canuck
Senior Member
 
Crazy Canuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Munchkin Land
Posts: 28,304
Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith17
You can't count Marat because he's a big oaf.
Hee hee!

It's true, he is
Crazy Canuck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:36 PM   #9
cool bird
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 883
cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road cool bird is on a distinguished road
No Venus and Serena could not over power any player in the top 300.
I think they would be lucky to a few games
cool bird is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:37 PM   #10
Kart
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 27,368
Kart is an unknown quantity at this point
No.

Santoro can smack the ball pretty hard when he wants to.
Kart is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:39 PM   #11
mishar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,295
mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of mishar has much to be proud of
I think Fabrice would be a player V,S and L would actually hate to play. They all like to play against pace; his off-speed shots would confuse the heck out of them, his forehand slices, drop shots, and net approaches. He would be harder for them than some of the more "powerful" men.
mishar is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:42 PM   #12
country flag Keith17
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 583
Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road Keith17 is on a distinguished road
Fabrice does have power, and he has more on his forehand than his backhand.

I don't know why he only used that funky slice forehand against Mark. I don't know why he does a lot of things though.

If Serena has troubles with the Loit's and Barna's of the tour... Santoro is 1000x worse than that.
Keith17 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:42 PM   #13
country flag Crazy Canuck
Senior Member
 
Crazy Canuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Munchkin Land
Posts: 28,304
Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by mishar
I think Fabrice would be a player V,S and L would actually hate to play. They all like to play against pace; his off-speed shots would confuse the heck out of them, his forehand slices, drop shots, and net approaches. He would be harder for them than some of the more "powerful" men.
Indeed. Give Loit some testosterone and you'll see what mishar is talking about
Crazy Canuck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:42 PM   #14
country flag Crazy Canuck
Senior Member
 
Crazy Canuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Munchkin Land
Posts: 28,304
Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute Crazy Canuck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith17
Fabrice does have power, and he has more on his forehand than his backhand.

I don't know why he only used that funky slice forehand against Mark. I don't know why he does a lot of things though.

If Serena has troubles with the Loit's and Barna's of the tour... Santoro is 1000x worse than that.
You beat me to it!
Crazy Canuck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 23rd, 2004, 07:55 PM   #15
country flag CJ07
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 10,398
CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute CJ07 has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by SerenaSlam
this is what i wanna know. last year, they talked of winners hit by venus and serena, venus hit one against hantuchova at 91 mph, and serena hit one i believe it was Shaugnessy at 93 mph. they talk of how its just much different. well yesturday they showed the pace and speed of the balls going back and forth with andre and enqvist, and they were consistently low-mid 80's. so i still think they could go out there, especially serena, and hit with them, and take sets off them. it wouldn't be a "no-contest" like many people think.
your a bit mistaken

Agassi and Enqvist were hitting from high 60's to 80's yes, but those were during rallies. If Venus and Serena hit 90 MPH winners, then Agassi and Enqvist hit 110 mph winners. (well no that cant be right because Gonzalez who hits harder than anybody in tennis hit one forehand at 109 off a return and I think that was the fastest of the match) but anyway, Venus and Serena could hit with them in terms of back and forth, but when its time to win the point they couldn't do it.

Also you have to add the fact that they're so fast (agassi and enqvist) they'd get everything back with interest.

And as for Santoro, Venus and Serena would lose easily, he's Loit with moxy .

That doesn't take anything away from them though. They hit much harder relatively speaking than men do and if they were men they'd win most every match they play. The fact that the women have been able to raise their games (well some of them) speaks to the resilience of Womens tennis.

And for the person who said V and Rena don't serve atleast 105 averages must be lost. Venus usually serves atleast 108 avg and Serena 103 avg.

And I agree with McEnroe with that they'd be top 200.
CJ07 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios