Dead thread, please close.
Agree with you!This is a GOAT discussion, those with less than double digit slams should sit the fuck down
Well, what was the point of the thread starter if not hearing the opinions?This thread still going?
One of these "weak era talentless moonballers" has a very good record against Serena and a very bad one against Graf.Opposition talentless moonballers.
Graf got dominated by Seles and then suddenly she gets stabbed. Graf proceeds to win everything.Because people on here love "What ifs" particularly around the Seles issue, and frankly the world cannot operate on "what ifs". :shrug:
And the above poster immediately comes out of the woodwork to respondThe above poster is an extra scary specimen of Graf fans. Immediately comes out of the woodwork to defend their goddess and never lets it go
And based on what circumstances you think that that number would have been bigger?that number was going to remain at Monica's favor for many many years if what we all know hadn't happened.
Spot on...This thread is a joke. Graf overlooked? Only by people (generally Seles fanatics) who would like play revisionist history and spin ever increasing number of "what if" scenarios from their overheated imaginations.
It's not a point who do you think is better,but who is greater...You must be always better than the others to be more and more greater!So for me those two are just better than Graf.
I happen to be a fan of both Graf and Serena, but give Nav's, Evert and even Court (along with BJK and Althea Gibson), their mad props for everything they accomplished and represented, both on and off the court. :yeah:Not to mention there are many people who are Serena and Graf fans. I love both players and think Serena is already a top 3 player of all time, and if Graf has to pass her mentle of GOAT onto something I hope it is Serena. Seles is not and never will be in the same planet as either player, other than in her delusionals Tards eyes.
@Cehoardrx7, Anabelcroft, etc.
Don't stop with your vigilance Cehoardrx7. It makes you who you are.
Hey, we all can't be the same on this website for it to have diversity.
I think we all learn (me included) to temper our most reactive emotions, in order to cohabitate on this site with others.
Cause once we all realize that the other poster is cool and/or laid back, it puts us all at ease. No one wants to be in a dog fight all the time.
So keep defending Monica, just don't Death Kill US every time, or save it for other/new posters. :lol:
But it's all good, for fun. Most of the time, we're all just exchanging ideas. But because it's in print and usually written quickly, many times we draw the wrong conclusions (about both what's written and the poster).
cehowardrx7
I'll give you another example. They once asked Chris Evert "if someone had suddenly taken out Martina Navratilova, how many more majors do you think you would have won"?
You know Chrissies first impulse was to answer/give a number, then she immediately caught herself and said "Martina pushed her, made her work harder, KEPT HER IN THE GAME LONGER".
Evert felt, that if it wasn't for Martina, she would have actually RETIRED A LOT SOONER, cause they're would have been little to play for. But Evert admitted Martina made her work hard, and inspired her competitive juices.
Now who knows if that would have really been the case. How ever, I think it could have been the same the case that Seles having a longer career, may not had denied Graf as many Majors as some of us think (not including if Monica would have lasted that long at that level). It would/could have just made Steffi Graf play longer or get better, and she still may have had her 18-24 majors anyway.
And in Seles case (this is what people hate to hear), she wasn't seriously injured. Now, if you wanna say, "the stabbing effected her play", okay, fine. You can say that. On the other hand, if it was another player, I don't know if it would have made much difference in their performance. They would have just moved on (see Paul Pierce example). But everyone's different. And that's why some people make threads about Monica 2.0 vs 1.0 being better or Graf's or anyone else's personal problems being no different than what Seles experienced, despite the wild and unfortunate nature of her terrible incident.
I to feel Chrissie was indisputably, one of the all time best tennis players ever. However, I also agree, that Chrissie getting her ass kicked, up and down the world by Nav's (once she got in shape, her mind and body together), made everyone forget Chrissie's dominant numbers, while only remembering Martina's dominant play and seemingly more dominant play over Evert.I do agree had Martina not existed Chris would be the undisputed GOAT today. Not only did Martina deny her so many slams, but Martina's total and embarassingly one sided ownage of Evert for a few years at Martina's peak is the very reason nearly everyone ranks Evert below Graf, Martina, Serena, and even Court today. Basically Chris a wonderful champion is incredibly unlucky that Martina came along, more unlucky than anyone person with any one player.
Martina on the other hand is super lucky Chris existed and played so long. Chris hardly denied Martina any slams, probably only about 3 at most, and had Chris not existed the already super weak Martina era of 82-86 would have bar none the worst competition in history, Pam Shriver would have reached #2 much of that time, and people would mostly dismiss her dominance and success due to a non existent field until teenaged Graf finally came along and easily brushed Martina in her prime aside. However as it is now people say "and she faced Chris too" and gloss over the otherwise gloomy and pathetic beyond words top 10 and womens field of the Martina era, so Martina should be grateful beyond words Chris stayed in the game so long, as she is the one who helped elevated Martina's career and legacy in peoples eyes, while doing virtually no damage to it as she was prime Martina's pigeon.
Agreed.Excelscior, one very important that you missed and I didn't mention. That is the MENTAL HARM that was done. We are both not doctors, and cannot rate the seriousness of the stab. However, we can in an unprofessional way, because are not professionals, at least I am not, imagine the mental harm that was done to Seles. The mental part of a player's tennis game is just as important as the physical game, if not more. Seles was not only physically harmed, she was mentally harmed as well.
You obviously mixed her up with the "Legend"Graf is local.
cehowardrx7, you don't have an answer to my question or you are just avoiding answering it in order to be quietly forgotten?And you still refuse to answer my question and that would be:
"If Graf's records are tainted why is she always voted as the greatest?"
:lol:
I see you still don't want to answer my question.That shows how powerless you are and now you even try to confuse me with changing the subject and begging me to drop it,just to be able to avoid the answer so that your public weakness can easily be forgotten... LolAnabelcroft, with all the respect in the world, why don't you just drop it? Graf is "old news".
proclaimed only by Graf-tards, as ceh(c)owardrx7 claims ... :lol:graf is the greatest......