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Old Dec 27th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #241
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Is it that there's a lot of threads in this Forum on race issues, or are things actually getting worse in the US? not just white on black, but black on white and pretty much everyone on everyone!
Race relations have dramatically soured under Obama.
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NBC WSJ Poll: Race relations have plummeted since Obama took office

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Public attitudes about race relations have plummeted since the historic election of President Barack Obama, according to a new poll from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal.

Only 52 percent of whites and 38 percent of blacks have a favorable opinion of race relations in the country, according to the poll, which has tracked race relations since 1994 and was conducted in mid-July by Hart Research Associations and Public Opinion Strategies.

That’s a sharp drop from the beginning of Obama’s first term, when 79 percent of whites and 63 percent of blacks held a favorable view of American race relations.

Negative views on race relations have also increased substantially. According to the poll, 45 percent of whites and 58 percent African-Americans now believe race relations are very or fairly bad, compared with 2009, when only 20 percent of whites and 30 percent of blacks held an unfavorable view.
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All Obama voters.
They were high school students. Most of them probably can't vote.
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NBC WSJ Poll: Race relations have plummeted since Obama took office

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/25/ra...ording-to-poll

Public attitudes about race relations have plummeted since the historic election of President Barack Obama, according to a new poll from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal.

Only 52 percent of whites and 38 percent of blacks have a favorable opinion of race relations in the country, according to the poll, which has tracked race relations since 1994 and was conducted in mid-July by Hart Research Associations and Public Opinion Strategies.

That’s a sharp drop from the beginning of Obama’s first term, when 79 percent of whites and 63 percent of blacks held a favorable view of American race relations.

Negative views on race relations have also increased substantially. According to the poll, 45 percent of whites and 58 percent African-Americans now believe race relations are very or fairly bad, compared with 2009, when only 20 percent of whites and 30 percent of blacks held an unfavorable view.
From the excerpt you provided, the data doesn't show that race relations have plummeted; it only shows that the percentage of people who hold favorable views about race relations has plummeted.
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Wow..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ial-media.html

Goes a different level.. Now, I guess, they'll get the attention..
I guess this being Brooklyn you aren't allowed to carry guns inside malls for self-defense.
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They are not random articles. Princeton University and University of Arizona are reputable research centers that have concluded the same, that children of single parents are far more likely to end up in prisons. As long as blacks continue to pretend that single parent births are not a problem, then the problem of high crime and incarceration will continue.
If Princeton research findings did not support your political leaning, you would said they are liberal , progressive, leftist institution, therefore bias.

I don't dispute the conclusion of the study, but i find it intersecting, that conservatives suddenly care about black family stability when they have spent generation trying to tear it down.

I'vre got a question for you, the various ethnic mafia organizations (Italian, Irish) were all family oriented and religious; yet they kill lot of people of their own ethnic groups.
I never saw an outcry of Italian-on-Italian crime.
Instead, many of these criminals became folk heroes and walk free today by simply agreeing to cooperate with the Fed, all the killings they commited just pushed under the rug.
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NBC WSJ Poll: Race relations have plummeted since Obama took office

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/25/ra...ording-to-poll

Public attitudes about race relations have plummeted since the historic election of President Barack Obama, according to a new poll from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal.

Only 52 percent of whites and 38 percent of blacks have a favorable opinion of race relations in the country, according to the poll, which has tracked race relations since 1994 and was conducted in mid-July by Hart Research Associations and Public Opinion Strategies.

That’s a sharp drop from the beginning of Obama’s first term, when 79 percent of whites and 63 percent of blacks held a favorable view of American race relations.

Negative views on race relations have also increased substantially. According to the poll, 45 percent of whites and 58 percent African-Americans now believe race relations are very or fairly bad, compared with 2009, when only 20 percent of whites and 30 percent of blacks held an unfavorable view.
This poll again? Seriously?
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If Princeton research findings did not support your political leaning, you would said they are liberal , progressive, leftist institution, therefore bias.

I don't dispute the conclusion of the study, but i find it intersecting, that conservatives suddenly care about black family stability when they have spent generation trying to tear it down.

I'vre got a question for you, the various ethnic mafia organizations (Italian, Irish) were all family oriented and religious; yet they kill lot of people of their own ethnic groups.
I never saw an outcry of Italian-on-Italian crime.
Instead, many of these criminals became folk heroes and walk free today by simply agreeing to cooperate with the Fed, all the killings they commited just pushed under the rug.
Give him a break. It's the first time he's quoted a reputable source in his life.

And actually, back in the '20s and '30s, there was a lot of outcry about Italian-on-Italian crime (and Jew-on-Jew) crime. The major difference is that for many reasons (which I know you are quite aware of) Jews and Italians were allowed to largely assimilate into American society.

Another factor was that many Jewish and Italian gangsters came to prominence during the Prohibition era, when their crimes (rumrunning) were largely winked at. Indeed, one of the reasons the mafia and other organized crime organizations were allowed to reach such extensive levels of power was that lots of law enforcement agencies took the rather racist attitude that it wasn't worth bothering about as long as the Italians and Jews were only killing each other. In Chicago, for example, the Capone Outfit was allowed to operate almost without interference until they killed Jake Lingle, a WASP reporter for the Chicago Tribune.
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If Princeton research findings did not support your political leaning, you would said they are liberal , progressive, leftist institution, therefore bias.

I don't dispute the conclusion of the study, but i find it intersecting, that conservatives suddenly care about black family stability when they have spent generation trying to tear it down.

I'vre got a question for you, the various ethnic mafia organizations (Italian, Irish) were all family oriented and religious; yet they kill lot of people of their own ethnic groups.
I never saw an outcry of Italian-on-Italian crime.
Instead, many of these criminals became folk heroes and walk free today by simply agreeing to cooperate with the Fed, all the killings they commited just pushed under the rug.
I must say that you lost me here. Who are the conservatives who have spent generations trying to tear the Black family down? Immediately after slavery many former slaves walked all over the South trying to find family members who had been sold away from them. In The Philadelphia Negro (1921?), DuBois worried about the fact that the Black family was deteriorating because about 10% of children were being born out of wedlock.

People wanted to tar and feather Dan Moynihan when he worried about the Black out of wedlock birth rate being 25%. They basically accused him of being a racist pig.

There are those who blame the Black family situation on the legacy of slavery but nobody has yet been able to explain to me why those closest to slavery had more intact families than those farther away from it. (Some have posited about the pathology skipping generations but that's bullshit which I won't even entertain.)

And of course there are those who blame people like Frances Fox Piven and her husband Richard Cloward who advocated getting as many people (especially Blacks) on welfare as possible in order to collapse the economic system of the US and lead to a guaranteed income for everybody. Yeah that really worked out. Of course the fly in the ointment was that in order for a woman to get her welfare benefits there had to be no man in the house. In fact social workers would in the early days pay surprise visits to homes and look for things like men's shoes and clothing to make sure that there was no male presence in that family.

Piven and Cloward were as liberal as they come.
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I must say that you lost me here. Who are the conservatives who have spent generations trying to tear the Black family down? Immediately after slavery many former slaves walked all over the South trying to find family members who had been sold away from them. In The Philadelphia Negro (1921?), DuBois worried about the fact that the Black family was deteriorating because about 10% of children were being born out of wedlock.

People wanted to tar and feather Dan Moynihan when he worried about the Black out of wedlock birth rate being 25%. They basically accused him of being a racist pig.

There are those who blame the Black family situation on the legacy of slavery but nobody has yet been able to explain to me why those closest to slavery had more intact families than those farther away from it. (Some have posited about the pathology skipping generations but that's bullshit which I won't even entertain.)

And of course there are those who blame people like Frances Fox Piven and her husband Richard Cloward who advocated getting as many people (especially Blacks) on welfare as possible in order to collapse the economic system of the US and lead to a guaranteed income for everybody. Yeah that really worked out. Of course the fly in the ointment was that in order for a woman to get her welfare benefits there had to be no man in the house. In fact social workers would in the early days pay surprise visits to homes and look for things like men's shoes and clothing to make sure that there was no male presence in that family.

Piven and Cloward were as liberal as they come.
Pretty much what you're arguing is that the black family was better with slavery than without it. Pathetic.
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I must say that you lost me here. Who are the conservatives who have spent generations trying to tear the Black family down? Immediately after slavery many former slaves walked all over the South trying to find family members who had been sold away from them. In The Philadelphia Negro (1921?), DuBois worried about the fact that the Black family was deteriorating because about 10% of children were being born out of wedlock.

People wanted to tar and feather Dan Moynihan when he worried about the Black out of wedlock birth rate being 25%. They basically accused him of being a racist pig.

There are those who blame the Black family situation on the legacy of slavery but nobody has yet been able to explain to me why those closest to slavery had more intact families than those farther away from it. (Some have posited about the pathology skipping generations but that's bullshit which I won't even entertain.)

And of course there are those who blame people like Frances Fox Piven and her husband Richard Cloward who advocated getting as many people (especially Blacks) on welfare as possible in order to collapse the economic system of the US and lead to a guaranteed income for everybody. Yeah that really worked out. Of course the fly in the ointment was that in order for a woman to get her welfare benefits there had to be no man in the house. In fact social workers would in the early days pay surprise visits to homes and look for things like men's shoes and clothing to make sure that there was no male presence in that family.

Piven and Cloward were as liberal as they come.
The ones who burned down black neighborhoods ( 2 instances in history) as they emerged and try to join the middle class by building their own communities.
The ones who put them down on a daily basis through the media, maligning them for lack of education.
And yes, when there is a government intervention to level the playing field to by instituting Affirmative Action, conservatives bring law suit to say whites are being discriminated against by allowing non-deserving blacks to take their spots in colleges, mind you, AA does not inflate your grade once you are in college, you have to perform like every one else in order to graduate.
AA action has also benefited white women, but they are never criticized for taking white men spots in colleges.
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Give him a break. It's the first time he's quoted a reputable source in his life.

And actually, back in the '20s and '30s, there was a lot of outcry about Italian-on-Italian crime (and Jew-on-Jew) crime. The major difference is that for many reasons (which I know you are quite aware of) Jews and Italians were allowed to largely assimilate into American society..
But now, those killers and criminal are seen fold heroes. They go to church every Sunday, contribute to the catholic church, rob shoulders with the clergy.
I remember when John Gotti used to walk thanks to Bruce Cutler able defense work, people would celebrate in his Gotti neighborhood.
Imagine that happening in a black neighborhood, FAUXNews O"Reilly, Megyn Kelly and Sean Hannity will find a conservative university professor to argue that it must pathological for black to celebrate people who have done evil, w/o regard for the law and humanity.

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Another factor was that many Jewish and Italian gangsters came to prominence during the Prohibition era, when their crimes (rumrunning) were largely winked at. Indeed, one of the reasons the mafia and other organized crime organizations were allowed to reach such extensive levels of power was that lots of law enforcement agencies took the rather racist attitude that it wasn't worth bothering about as long as the Italians and Jews were only killing each other. In Chicago, for example, the Capone Outfit was allowed to operate almost without interference until they killed Jake Lingle, a WASP reporter for the Chicago Tribune.
You're correct, that was true early on.
They did continue their mafia activities, killing score of people, long after prohibition was overturned and were/are still seen today not as cold blooded killers, but as tough guys.

Today, many are "free" ( after serving less time than a common criminal who did not kill; or after agreeing to testify against their former comrades), among them, some of the enforcers, while they continue to repeat to anyone who would listen that they did not kill anyone who did not deserve to be killed, have even used their notoriety to help Hollywood make a film out of their life story, often making them look sympathetic family figures.
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The ones who burned down black neighborhoods ( 2 instances in history) as they emerged and try to join the middle class by building their communities.
The ones who put them down on a daily basis thought the media, maligning for lack of education.
And yest, when there is a government intervention to level the paying field to by instituting Affirmative Action, conservative bring law suit to say white are being discriminated against by allowing non-deserving black to take their sport in colleges, mind you, AA has nothing to inflating your grade once you are in college, you have to perform like every one else.
AA action has also benefited white women, but they are never criticized for taking white men spots in colleges.
But that's not necessarily a conservative thing, though.
That's just poor and working class white brutality/mentality. Regardless of whether they are Republican or Democrat.
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