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Old Jul 5th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #481
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I think people are underestimating the degree to which fitness influences mentality. When you know you are fit, you gain confidence. Stamina and muscle fitness also prevent breakdowns in complex strokes, especially the serve. Time and again this season, Petra has lost serve because of double faults, and has then spiraled into bewilderment and loss of form for a set or match. I believe the simplest explanation for these double-faults, and for her poor serve stats this year, is fatigue, especially leg fatigue. I've experienced this myself in my own tennis game: I'll come out in the first set like gangbusters, raining down aces and service winners, and backing them up with good groundstrokes. Then my legs will get tired, and I won't be able to elevate as effectively. It won't affect most of my game, but my serve will immediately go down the toilet. That's what happens to Petra. That, and tightness.

In my opinion, it really is that simple. If she gets in shape, loses all the excess fat, and returns to 2011 fitness, she will be once again the killer competitor with ice in her veins.

If she doesn't, I'm not going to waste time analyzing her problems. I'll leave that to Excelscior and his forum tomes.
Hilarious/Ironic; considering that's what you just did, and then some (complete with requisite/abject tennis transference, personal testimonials, first hand/expert accounts, analysis and correlations), which I've never done. But OK.

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Old Jul 5th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #482
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Re: Where the Grass has no name - Eastbourne & Wimbledon 2013

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I think people are underestimating the degree to which fitness influences mentality. When you know you are fit, you gain confidence. Stamina and muscle fitness also prevent breakdowns in complex strokes, especially the serve. Time and again this season, Petra has lost serve because of double faults, and has then spiraled into bewilderment and loss of form for a set or match. I believe the simplest explanation for these double-faults, and for her poor serve stats this year, is fatigue, especially leg fatigue. I've experienced this myself in my own tennis game: I'll come out in the first set like gangbusters, raining down aces and service winners, and backing them up with good groundstrokes. Then my legs will get tired, and I won't be able to elevate as effectively. It won't affect most of my game, but my serve will immediately go down the toilet. That's what happens to Petra. That, and tightness.

In my opinion, it really is that simple. If she gets in shape, loses all the excess fat, and returns to 2011 fitness, she will be once again the killer competitor with ice in her veins.

If she doesn't, I'm not going to waste time analyzing her problems. I'll leave that to Excelscior and his forum tomes.
I agree, that's the original point of Jason I've posted here which was very reasonable for me. I have also some real example of how fitness can effect many things including mentality.

I can really see the difference between Petra's fitness in 2011 and 2013, although she gained some muscles on her legs and body overall so I think that it is not that simple to see it only from some old and new tapes or photos. But I could clearly see how great, slim and fit she looked in that Madrid final against Aza, she actually looked almost as fit and slim as her. She was also moving so quickly, anticipated every ball in that match and went for it on time so she didn't make so many UE like now. Just a joy to watch her in that shape.
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Old Jul 5th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #483
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I agree, that's the original point of Jason I've posted here which was very reasonable for me. I have also some real example of how fitness can effect many things including mentality.

I can really see the difference between Petra's fitness in 2011 and 2013, although she gained some muscles on her legs and body overall so I think that it is not that simple to see it only from some old and new tapes or photos. But I could clearly see how great, slim and fit she looked in that Madrid final against Aza, she actually looked almost as fit and slim as her. She was also moving so quickly, anticipated every ball in that match and went for it on time so she didn't make so many UE like now. Just a joy to watch her in that shape.
yea i was watching the highlights of petra's match against vinci in 2011 wimby the other day...and man, what a dramatic difference in her lateral movement! she was just gliding effortlessly from left to right, right to left...which enabled her to smack so many winners from all parts of the court...

i mean look at the end of the day...petra is not only a physical mess right now, but also a mental mess...she is out of shape, has poor footwork, a weaker serve, is not confident on the court, and at times, just looks confused and miserable

so really..and we've all talked about this before...after the season is over...petra needs to evaluate what kind of career she wants...and then make follow up decisions aligning to that...

i just don't think she has the ambition to be a future no. 1 and consistently contend for slams...i'm not sure if she's willing to put in the work that goes along w/ that...she LOVES playing for her country when her team is the favorite...but HATES playing for herself when she is the favorite...

and to be the best...you need to be comfortable w/ the media hyping you up as the favorite...just not sure petra has that in her...

so in my view, her season is pretty much over...i don't see her dramatically improving anything..or getting very far playing in her worst climate--outdoor U.S. HC...i would be shocked if she got to the second week of this yr's USO...
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yea i was watching the highlights of petra's match against vinci in 2011 wimby the other day...and man, what a dramatic difference in her lateral movement! she was just gliding effortlessly from left to right, right to left...which enabled her to smack so many winners from all parts of the court...

i mean look at the end of the day...petra is not only a physical mess right now, but also a mental mess...she is out of shape, has poor footwork, a weaker serve, is not confident on the court, and at times, just looks confused and miserable

so really..and we've all talked about this before...after the season is over...petra needs to evaluate what kind of career she wants...and then make follow up decisions aligning to that...

i just don't think she has the ambition to be a future no. 1 and consistently contend for slams...i'm not sure if she's willing to put in the work that goes along w/ that...she LOVES playing for her country when her team is the favorite...but HATES playing for herself when she is the favorite...

and to be the best...you need to be comfortable w/ the media hyping you up as the favorite...just not sure petra has that in her...

so in my view, her season is pretty much over...i don't see her dramatically improving anything..or getting very far playing in her worst climate--outdoor U.S. HC...i would be shocked if she got to the second week of this yr's USO...
Yeah, she has to clear it up. I guess only some really good inspiration or sudden awareness of the situation after watching some tape from 2011, that she want to win again and improve. If she doesn't, we don't have to be mad at her. It's her choice. I can live with that, but I would be disappointed because I was (and still am) expecting more from her. Maybe that's the part of the crisis that she is in, she will either get over it or won't. I think it can happen suddenly, that nobody will expect that at all like in Doha. But that's not enough, she has to realize that winning on more consistent bases requires something more than what she's doing now.
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Re: Where the Grass has no name - Eastbourne & Wimbledon 2013

Can Petra hire Ivan Lendl as Coach (just a joke, I know it's not going to happen, for a myriad of reasons)??

He speaks Czech to (though not "properly" affiliated)??

Nonetheless, good Luck to Petra in the future.
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Can Petra hire Ivan Lendl as Coach (just a joke, I know it's not going to happen, for a myriad of reasons)??

He speaks Czech to (though not "properly" affiliated)??

Nonetheless, good Luck to Petra in the future.
He would have to stand in the row behind Martina Navratilova.
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Can Petra hire Ivan Lendl as Coach (just a joke, I know it's not going to happen, for a myriad of reasons)??

He speaks Czech to (though not "properly" affiliated)??

Nonetheless, good Luck to Petra in the future.
You know there is no way Andy will let Ivan Lendl go now. Anyway, Petra needs a fitness trainer to keep her in shape. As soon as Petra is in shape her confidence will come back. She is mental tough person and cool as a cucumber.
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You know there is no way Andy will let Ivan Lendl go now. Anyway, Petra needs a fitness trainer to keep her in shape. As soon as Petra is in shape her confidence will come back. She is mental tough person and cool as a cucumber.
But somebody like Navratilova would be great advisor to have in her team. And, well said.
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Re: Where the Grass has no name - Eastbourne & Wimbledon 2013

for her this season is over, she need to refocus for next one, and use the rest of season to find out her game again maybe trying some new things,change team please and start to work on fitness again

i believe if she change some thing around, that she can come back next year more stronger and fitter and ready to fulfill her talent..

it's shame couz she is not injured (knocking on wood) and she is wasting her best year in tennis.. her lack of confidence can be regain she just need to find out what she want.. to be one slam wonder and barely top 10 player, or win 5-6 slams through her career and reach no.1 what i think she can

USA/Canada HC season will be hard, she has lot of points defend i expect that she will be out of top 10 by the end of season and that she won't go to WTA final istambul
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I am interested in which conditions Petra will play in Carlsbad and Toronto. Is it very hot and humid there in July/August? Carlsbad is on the West coast and Toronto is on the coast of Big lakes. Does anyone remembers if Petra had some trouble there in the past?
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