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Old Jan 23rd, 2014, 11:26 AM   #181
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

Radwanska isn't a pusher per se, but her game does not match well against 'big babe' tennis. Against aggressive, consistent players, she almost has to rely on her guile as well as errors from opponents in key moments in order to win matches, she beat Sharapova in Miami using the same tactic and Vika at AO
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Old Jan 23rd, 2014, 11:33 AM   #182
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

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It is simple!

The moment a "Pusher" does win a slam, they will not be labelled a "Pusher" anymore
Of course they can win a slam if the draw fell apart and is devoid of all the aggressive consistent players. But it's tough and rough for them to win a slam outright on their own account using their game style, period
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Old Jan 23rd, 2014, 06:46 PM   #183
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Old Jan 23rd, 2014, 07:21 PM   #184
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

There are no pushers in Grand Slams whatsoever. Calling players like Radwanska and Wozniacki pushers only reflect poorly on one's understanding of tennis. To push the shot is to not really hit a full swing on it, and use a pushing action to get the ball back in play. No players in top 100 play like this as their general game, but all players will push certain shots now and then as part of their defense.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2014, 09:51 PM   #185
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

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I don't know why anyone calls ARad a pusher. She's clearly NOT that. Woz' is a pusher. ARad is faaar from a pusher. There are other ways to win a tennis match between Woz's pushing and the Power Game. ARad has variety and and guile. In many ways she has more variety than Hingis did. She makes the most with what she's got and does it a variety of ways.
ARad is a pusher, but a finesse pusher, different breed. Wozniacki is the consummate pusher, but the consummate pusher just doesn't cut it nowadays, too one-dimensional. If ARad were the same she wouldn't be in the top ten, but she makes up for it with plenty of cunning and variety. The perfect player has power AND plenty of variety, but that is rare, and it's, in a nutshell, why Serena is by far the best in the game right now.
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Chris Evert was not a Barbie doll and she certainly was not a pusher.
Chris Evert was definitely a pusher, the most successful one in tennis history.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2014, 10:15 PM   #187
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

A pusher is a player that reacts to what his or her opponent is doing. They do not try to play offense and dictate play even when given the opportunity to do so. Radwanska plays too defensively at times, as she did yesterday, but has the ability to play offense by changing direction of the ball, coming to the net, hitting drop shots. However with that being said, she can still be hit off the court by harder hitters. Wozniacki I wouldn't call a pusher; I would call her a "reactor." She cannot play offensive tennis, except at times with her backhand. She cannot generate pace on her own off of her forehand side at all. She can't put away balls at the service line with that shot. She reacts to whatever her opponent is doing.

Chris Evert was not a pusher.
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Old Jan 24th, 2014, 12:25 AM   #188
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

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There are no pushers in Grand Slams whatsoever. Calling players like Radwanska and Wozniacki pushers only reflect poorly on one's understanding of tennis. To push the shot is to not really hit a full swing on it, and use a pushing action to get the ball back in play. No players in top 100 play like this as their general game, but all players will push certain shots now and then as part of their defense.
We use comparisons to define pushing. Obviously a WTA pusher isn't going to look like a pusher on a club court against a 12 year old. And in the same way Wozniacki gets called a pusher, that 12 year old who hits harder than everyone at her club is called an aggressive baseliner, despite being much weaker than Errani and Wozniacki.

Defining a professional pusher: It's when we look at the average power of groundstrokes, along with the ratio of winners to unforced errors and general defensive skills, and then compare that with other top caliber players. We can soon see if someone is eligible for this slightly demeaning classification.

Note also, the term can be interchanged with other less insulting alternatives such as 'defensive player', but we all know what someone really means when they use pusher and it's not 'club level player'.
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Old Jan 24th, 2014, 12:30 AM   #190
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They do on the men's tour
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Old Jan 24th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #191
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Re: PUSHERS donīt WIN slams!!!!

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They do on the men's tour
By our TF definition, both Murray and Nadal are pushers.
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By our TF definition, both Murray and Nadal are pushers.
Murray is a world class pusher. Nadal's greatness trumps his pushing
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I'm afraid this will always happen to Aga. At the end of a slam, she will always run into an aggressive, better player. Whether it is Serena, Vika, Maria, Sabine, Petra, Na... The list goes on.
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